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I am currently studying some aspects of Spinoza's philosophy, mainly in contrast to Kant. It seems to me that Spinoza is just the kind of "dogmatic metaphysician" Kant criticises. I know that Kant tried to "proof" God's existence in his pre-critical phase, but later changed his mind (I refrain from going into details). I therefore wanted to have a look at Spinoza's "proofs". The first one says:

In the first place, a priori thus: 1. Whatever we clearly and distinctly know to belong to the nature of a thing, we can also truly affirm of that thing. Now we can know clearly and distinctly that existence belongs to the nature of God; Therefore...

It seems to me that this is far from "a priori" as Kant defines it. Furthermore, it rather seems to be a tautology. Because to say that we know that God exists because we clearly and distinctly know what his nature is means the same thing as to already know that he does exist.

Are there any other ways to read this? Am I mistaken? I am not looking for affirmation but on the contrary for arguments against my maybe premature opinion.

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... though it would be appreciated if you'd let me know that you agree, too, because otherwise I won't know if it's agreement or indifference that keeps you from answering... (: – iphigenie Oct 30 '12 at 21:23
"he only says we know that existence belongs to the nature of God" i.e. we have ontological knowledge of the nature of good. What's your question then? – iphigenie Jan 19 at 14:54

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The SEP has an article on these sorts of proofs. I think it's fair to say that even people who endorse some sort of ontological argument don't find Spinoza convincing, for the reason you say.

However, since you wanted criticism I will point out that any proof like this is a "tautology", so I don't really think that's a valid objection. The question is whether its premises seem more reasonable than its conclusion, and they don't appear to.

You might find Godel's formulation more convincing. He basically replaces the idea of "nature" with that of "essential properties," and brings in modal logic. (Note that he never published any of these proofs, so there are various forms of "Godel's argument" floating around, some more reasonable than others.)

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Thank you, that was helpful. – iphigenie Oct 31 '12 at 12:15

Maybe this quote from A. J. Ayer in "Language, Truth and Logic" is helpful:

To say that a proposition is true a priori is to say that it is a tautology. And tautologies, though they may serve to guide us in our emprical search for knowledge, do not in themselves contain any information about any matter of fact.

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I disagree, but mainly because "a priori" will always be Kantian vocabulary in my eyes, and this is absolutely against his definitions. A priori propositions aren't tautological in general, analytical ones are. That's actually pretty much where I was going with my question. If the proof is a priori, which he seems to be, and the proof is tautological/analytical, then Kant would dismiss it as not widening our knowledge. – iphigenie Oct 31 '12 at 14:33
I think one should add that they are related ideas in different domains: a priori is epistemological, whereas analytic is grammatical. – Mozibur Ullah Jan 19 at 14:34

I haven't read Spinoza, but from your quotation, he doesn't say that we know the nature of God, he only says we know that existence belongs to the nature of God, and that we can know this. How does he justify that can?

He goes on to say that we cannot have knowledge without God, that our own power of imagination does not suffice. I probably agree that Spinoza smuggles in God from the beginning, but what ought to be of interest is does he say anything that illuminates. Is his metaphysical scheme interesting or profound.

I get the impression that he says that reality is a manifestation of God. It appears to have similarities with Asharite Occasionalism. To call it not a proof, I think is to miss the point somewhat - the form of his argument is a tribute, in perhaps the same way Platos dialogues are a tribute to the dramatic arts.

It also seems a tad retrospective, and a bit indecent to ask Spinoza to conform to Kants usage of the term 'a priori' when he was writing before Kant. It looked to me that his 'a priori', is just a synonym for his very first words 'In the first place', except it isn't, according to Enc. Brit

"The first recorded occurrence of the phrases is in the writings of the 14th-century logician Albert of Saxony. Here, an argument a priori is said to be “from causes to the effect”...Similar definitions were given by many later philosophers down to and including G.W. Leibniz"

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I don't think this answered my question. My question was: Is what he calls proof anything more than a tautology, and is his use of a priori equivalent to Kant's. Explaining to me why it is indecent to ask that... Well. Not an answer, is it? Also, I was asking about the character or the argument, not about Spinoza's ontology itself. – iphigenie Jan 19 at 18:55
@Iphegenie: You're right - it's more in the nature of an extended comment, which wasn't going to fit in a comment box. The 'indecent' was an attempt at light humour, which wasn't meant to be taken seriously - I'm sorry if it was. I agree his use of 'a priori' is different to Kants. I don't think that its quite a tautology. I can't see how he can say we can know the nature of God without contradicting himself, as he states further on that finite minds are not capable of grasping the infinite. But he makes the claim that we can know that existence belongs to the nature of God – Mozibur Ullah Jan 19 at 19:55
and then he attempts to justify that claim later. This isn't quite the same as the first claim. – Mozibur Ullah Jan 19 at 19:56
@MoziburUllah - Well, your impression would be right - Spinoza was, after all, a pantheist! I will add that calling Spinoza an occasionalist isn't that far off the mark, because frankly he was. However, if I were to criticize Spinoza, I'd begin with a critique of his rationalist method, because given that, he does a rather deep job of metaphysics. Leibniz and Descartes may have been prolific in a number of fields, but Spinoza exceeded both in his metaphysical rigor and depth. – danielm Jan 19 at 20:13

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