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One of the arguments against the existence of god is the problem of evil and specifically, the death of innocent children. I'm curious to know if the concepts of reincarnation and a karmic carry-over from past lives are how Buddhism, Hinduism, and other Eastern philosophies which employ these concepts, address this specific problem. If not, how do they?

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It likely arose because people had a hard time coming to grips with the fact that they're going to die. Regardless, I doubt the answer to the question you ask is simply written on a parchment somewhere in an ancient library. Like, "We invented the concept of Karma to justify the logical contradiction between the…" No... Concepts like Karma and reincarnation come from old philosophies which were built slowly over time with ideas being added here and there. There may not be any real rhyme or reason behind it other than someone 'felt like it' or it made them feel better to think of it that way. –  stoicfury Feb 6 '13 at 5:05
    
@stoicfury Reincarnation might have arisen to assuage the fears of death, and karma to tackle morality. Karmic carry-over, to me, appears to be a construction that exists solely to take the blame for any unexplainable/unattributable misfortunes that might occur in a life; it's like a cosmic scapegoat. Does this carry-over serve any other purpose? –  coleopterist Feb 6 '13 at 7:46
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This is a historical question, not a philosophical one. –  Michael Dorfman Feb 6 '13 at 8:49
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@Michael - 'How' is ('how' as in the historical process), 'why' isn't necessarily ('why' as in the reasoning behind the adoption of karma); that's the only reason I hesitated. Still might not be a very constructive question though, as I alluded to in my first comment... –  stoicfury Feb 6 '13 at 10:33
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This is history of religion, not philosophy, and also too broad as "Buddhism, Hinduism, etc." are liable to have different answers. (Hinduism alone is likely to have several.) This question needs to be refined and focused on a philosophical question (e.g. identify a current philosophical position and ask about its history, or drop the bit about history and ask instead about the problem of evil in Eastern philosophies, after reading Wikipedia and philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/190 –  Rex Kerr Feb 6 '13 at 18:07
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Good and evil in both Hinduism and Buddhism are terms belonging to the relative world only, not to the ultimate reality. Karma also belongs in the sphere of the relative world also. All Hindus and Buddhists, regardless of their philosophical differences as to the nature of the ultimate reality agree on this.

From an absolute or ultimate aspect, Krishna deals with this very question in the Bhagavad Gita, Chapter 2, verses 11- 30. To summarize, man is not bound by the law of causation (Karma). Pain and misery are not in man, they are but as the passing cloud throwing its shadow over the sun, but the cloud passes, the sun is unchanged; and so it is with man. He is not born, he does not die, he is not in time and space. These ideas are mere reflections of the mind, but we mistake them for the Reality and so lose sight of the of the truth they obscure. Good and evil have existence only in relation to us. One cannot be had without the other, because neither has meaning or existence apart from the other. As long as we recognize duality, or separate God and man, so long we must see good and evil. Only be unifying ourselves with God (or Nirvana, both its positive and negative meanings depending upon whether Mahayana or Theravedic Buddhist) can we escape the delusion of the senses. Then we escape both good and evil by transcending both. Evil only exists in the relative world we perceive. We wrongly perceive the world as having a real separate existence; it has no separate existence, it is all God. God is perceiving God, how can God hurt God? How can the eternal kill the eternal? Only through delusion. It is a delusion when we think we see evil.

If you want to analyze your question from a relative existence aspect, all Hindus and Buddhists believe in cycles, and its corollary, karma (action). We all ultimately find our way to God or Nirvana, but we have to go through many births in doing so. As all action in this universe has a reaction (think the law of conservation of matter and energy), then there must have been a cause to the death of the innocent babies. We are seeing one moment in a long cycle of birth, death, and rebirth; perhaps there was an earlier cause in a prior birth. Perhaps the baby murdered a baby in a previous birth, or perhaps the individual in near the completion of all of their births and needed only a short life to burn away its remaining karma. To judge what is innocence and what is not, you need to see the entire cycle, not just a snippet. See Jnana Yoga by Swami Vivekananda

BTW, in the Eastern tradition there is no difference between philosophy or religion or theology. These are Western constructs.


Edit (addressing comment): "...by stating that nothing is real (everything is maya)" - Now you are getting into some finer differences. Theravedic Buddhism would say yes, nothing is real, as when you rapidly whirl a torch in a circle, it appears that you have a solid circle of fire, but in reality it is not. In a sense they are real atheists. Mahayana Buddhism and Advaita Hinduism do not say nothing is real, they say that it is real, but you are wrongly perceiving it. Maya is not illusion as it is popularly interpreted. Maya is real, yet it is not real. It is real in that the Real is behind it and gives it its appearance of reality. That which is real in Maya is the Reality in and through Maya. Yet the Reality is never seen; and hence that which is seen is unreal, and it has no real independent existence of itself, but is dependent upon the Real for its existence. Maya then is a paradox- real, yet not real, an illusion, yet not an illusion.

"..so why bother wondering about it" - There are and have been many yogis that have taken this attitude. But until one can really see the Reality, wondering about it does serve a purpose. For those that have truly perceived the Reality, they often give up everything. The great Shankaracharya eventually just started walking into the Himalayas until death came.

"relative aspect...." - the earliest one to tackle the problem was Kapila, and his analysis was not on evil, but on understanding the nature of reality and how man perceived the world. He was the first psychologist. To be more definitive, there is no evil. There are those actions which lead to liberation and those actions which cause further binding to the perceived world of Maya. Some actions will bind more than others. Since this universe is a zero sum game (you can not add or take away 1 pound of force, for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction), there has to be a balance. If we are receiving a bit of nasty reaction, there had to be a cause or initial action to it.

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Thank you for the answer and the two points of view :) If I compute the "ultimate aspect" correctly, in essence, Hinduism and Buddhism circumvent the problem entirely by stating that nothing is real (everything is maya?); so why bother wondering about it? The "relative aspect" confirms my supposition; do you have any idea if the idea of karma (or what I am naïvely calling carry-over karma) came about precisely to tackle this specific aspect of the problem of evil? –  coleopterist Feb 7 '13 at 17:09
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The doctrine of karma and rebirth is often praised for its ability to offer a successful solution to the Problem of Evil. This essay evaluates such a claim by considering whether the doctrine can function as a systematic theodicy, as an explanation of all human suffering in terms of wrongs done in either this or past lives.

Kaufman, W. R. (2005). Karma, rebirth, and the problem of evil. Philosophy East and West, 15-32.

There are many other articles about this subject.

But as I understand concept of karma arise from analysis of natural laws of causation, not god's laws, so this concept unlikely arise in order to logically address problem of evil.

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@stoicfury - The linked article goes on to cast doubt on whether karma is satisfactory--do you really mean to give -1 for quoting the "wrong" portion of an abstract? –  Rex Kerr Feb 6 '13 at 18:50
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I see where he was going with this now; I misread it the first time and didn't see how it answered the question. I still don't really see it as a satisfactory (complete) answer though—especially because the concept of Karma almost certainly predates the problem of evil (and more importantly, the idea of an all-powerful, all-kind God which is the root of the PoE [it was pre-Judaism])—but sviter seems to acknowledge that anyways. At any rate, the answer is at least no longer "not useful". -(-1) –  stoicfury Feb 6 '13 at 19:50
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This question is logically flawed: Even though reincarnation and 'karmic carry over' might answer such questions, if you believe in a God as matter of faith, there is no need to invent such concepts to answer those difficult questions - faith is just that: FAITH.

Which came first - the chicken or the egg....?

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