Timeline for Is Romans 1:19-20 philosophically sound?
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| Dec 13, 2023 at 18:38 | comment | added | Mutoh | @JoWehler and by not being an issue I mean for the purposes of knowing God using natural reason. | |
| Dec 13, 2023 at 18:22 | comment | added | Mutoh | @JoWehler evidences 1) and 2) together show that theists both high- and low-brow (roughly speaking) could see the equivalence/similarity. Even "El" was originally the name of the head of the Canaanite pantheon. Modern classic theists such as C.S. Lewis and Edward Feser see the equivalence also in Eastern religions such as the Tao and Brahman (cf. Three Pillars of Chinese Catholicism). If it's not an issue for actual theists, sp. the ones putting forward arguments for God's existence, it shouldn't be an issue for non-theists. | |
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| Dec 13, 2023 at 18:04 | comment | added | Jo Wehler | @Mutoh Thanks for your explanation - even when your comment does not convince me as a demonstration. Why is your comment 2) relevant? And your comment 1) does not cover all gods from the list. - That Jews and Christians believe in the same god follows easily from the fact, that the first Christians were Jews. - Why does the Islam understand itself as a revival of the original religion of Abraham, I do not know. | |
| Dec 13, 2023 at 17:50 | comment | added | Jo Wehler | @ScottRowe Thanks to your remark I slightly edited my point "Ad 2". | |
| Dec 13, 2023 at 17:33 | comment | added | Mutoh | @JoWehler addendum: by "they" I mean the classical theists of these faiths (such as Philo of Alexandria and Aquinas), as not all who profess such faiths are classical theists. Also, cf. Christians, Muslims, and the reference of “God” | |
| Dec 13, 2023 at 15:44 | comment | added | Mutoh | @JoWehler I can't give a systematic answer (say, a cut-off minimum of divine attributes) but I'd give as evidence 1) the diversity of faiths grouped together under classical theism, including pagans, Jews, Muslims, & Christians of various denominations. Despite divergences which are far from superficial, they almost invariably recognize each other as speaking about the same God, or something close to it. And 2) the fact that the word for "God" in many languages comes from the name of a god that used to be the head of a previous pagan pantheon ("Allah" itself being an example). | |
| Dec 13, 2023 at 11:46 | comment | added | Scott Rowe | Your point 2 seems to say that 'Jahwe' could exist yet not be that god which created everything. If that's what you are saying, sorry - it's just silly and the argument would be better without it. I don't mean to sound rude, but silly points are unhelpful :-) | |
| Dec 13, 2023 at 9:09 | comment | added | Jo Wehler | @Mutoh Astronomy found out that the Morning Star is identical to the Evening Star: There is only one planet. That's the standard example that two different intensions may have the same extension. - How to demonstrate that the different god-names from the list refer to the same existing being? | |
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| Dec 12, 2023 at 17:28 | comment | added | Mutoh | When you recognize that a being exists which is omnipresent, omnipotent, omni-etc. then the name is a wholly secondary matter. It would be like imagining there is much difference between Venus and 金星, or even that just because someone (wrongly) thinks the Morning Star and the Evening Star are separate celestial bodies then he is not talking about the same celestial body which you know as Venus when he mentions one or the other. This is why St Augustine (following St Paul) recognized that Plato truly knew God, even if Plato's conception differed from the Christian understanding. | |
| Dec 12, 2023 at 10:22 | history | edited | Jo Wehler | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Dec 12, 2023 at 6:41 | history | answered | Jo Wehler | CC BY-SA 4.0 |