Timeline for If the world had zero suffering, would this be evidence of God?
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| Apr 4 at 22:18 | comment | added | Scott Rowe | For a description of Love, see the article Love: A Wolf in Sheep’s Clothing by Cheryl Abram | |
| Apr 4 at 16:10 | history | reopened |
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| Mar 30 at 18:47 | comment | added | user6527 | Wikipedia puts it nicely "In much of modern Christianity, God is addressed as the Father, in part because of his active interest in human affairs on the earth, in the way that a father would take an interest in his children who are dependent on him and as a father, he will respond to humanity, his children, acting in their best interests." it isn't a new analogy. | |
| Mar 30 at 18:40 | comment | added | user6527 | Is a parent that stifles their child by not allowing them a chance to ever do anything wrong a benvolent parent? I'd say "no". Sometimes we need to learn by making our own choices and taking the consequences for our own developmental good. Is being a good person meaningful if we had no choice about it? It is the only way to a world without suffering (IMHO). | |
| Mar 30 at 18:39 | comment | added | user6527 | @Dcleve it is interesting that you say the analogy fails on relevance when you have highlighted some of the key correspondences. Actually we are able to change the nature of humans, that is partly what parenting does. Actually we can change the nature of the world, again parenting is part of that. We (generally) don't bring up our children just to be competent and robust. My point is that suffering (from a religious perspective) is largely caused by our freedom - we cause it, to prevent it God would have to limit our freedom to choose between "good" and "evil". | |
| Mar 30 at 18:25 | comment | added | Dcleve | @DikranMarsupial -- Our world is not perfect, and humans are not mature upon birth. Our immature children must earn competence and robustness to survive in this imperfect world. Parents are not omnipotent, and not able to change the nature of humans, nor the nature of this world. Your argument by analogy fails the criteria of relevance. | |
| Mar 30 at 17:54 | comment | added | user6527 | Would giving your children everything they wanted and never reprimanding them when they did something wrong (or making sure they never had the opportunity to choose to do the wrong thing) be evidence of an omnibenevolent parent? " sort between these two possibilities" by pointing out it was a false dilema based on an over-simplistic view of a more complicated issue. | |
| Mar 30 at 17:46 | comment | added | Dcleve | Per Quine-Duhem, there is always the logical possibility that the way things are is not for ANY reason. But per naturalist IBE, if a theory predicts the ways things are, this is a preferred explanation to "it is just the way things happen to be". A morally perfect universe would call for a cause of that moral perfection. | |
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| S Mar 30 at 17:42 | history | edited | Dcleve | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
Removed the request for opinions, added an explanation that the moral failings of this world are explicitly evidence, hence moral perfect would be too
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| Mar 30 at 16:47 | comment | added | Mauro ALLEGRANZA | But God created the world, humans and evil: thus, at least for the last 2.000 years, we are still discussing the issue. | |
| Mar 30 at 16:35 | history | closed |
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| Mar 30 at 16:09 | answer | added | ac15 | timeline score: 2 | |
| Mar 30 at 16:03 | history | asked | Baby_philosopher | CC BY-SA 4.0 |