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Mar 21 '15 at 15:40 comment added user9166 To the first question. Someone here points the questioner to the Vedas, but is not very specific. philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/22378/… This 'Swami V...' may have a more specific reference for you, if you pursue him.
Feb 9 '12 at 23:44 comment added Joseph Weissman I might tenatively suggest that it's possibly both of these things at once, in different places perhaps. What @Tom says about a "strong metaphysical position" is precisely what a later Nietzsche will articulate, as a secret, a discovery, something different from the Greeks: that eternal recurrence is will to power, the eternal recurrence of transformations, downgoings/overcomings; the eternal return is not said of the same but of difference. Deleuze elaborates this in some depth in his Nietzsche and Philosophy, which is well worth a look on this point
Dec 9 '11 at 17:13 comment added Michael Dorfman @TomBoardman: Sorry, I did misread you on that point, I apologize. In some of Nietzsche's notebooks, he lays out the argument in a straightforward form, not as a thought experiment-- I can try to dig out the references when I have a chance. As for the value of the thought experiment, there are definitely precedents where people are exhorted to act as if a certain doctrine were true, regardless of the fact that the actual truth status of the proposition is indeterminate (and often undeterminable)-- I can think of a Buddhist example off the top of my head, as well as one from Judaism.
Dec 9 '11 at 16:45 comment added Tom Boardman it would carry less weight than the actual occurrence itself. Indeed, your contrasting literary reference bears this out nicely: for the exact negation and its consequences are eminently possible! What I had wondered was whether I had missed something of an analytic bent in the thought experiment formulation. As for the reference you requested, I can only point you in the vague direction of a chap at a party who first recommended T.S.Z. to me- wikipedia seems to mention it in passing though.
Dec 9 '11 at 16:33 comment added Tom Boardman thanks for your response, but I fear you misunderstand me: I did not say that Nietsche would be a fool to believe in the eternal return (indeed, never would), merely that he would be a fool to argue for it. Given his skeptical position, such a strong metaphysical claim would be untenable. I agree, though, that it is possible. I am just confused as to whether any logical conclusion can be drawn from what has the ontological status of a thought experiment: if I said- "Imagine one day, a demon came to you and told you God was real and that he hates gays" there is little doubt that...
Dec 9 '11 at 14:53 history answered Michael Dorfman CC BY-SA 3.0