Timeline for It is oppressive for youths to have laws that prohibit something exclusive to them?
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| Jul 10, 2018 at 2:20 | history | edited | elliot svensson | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Jul 10, 2018 at 2:09 | history | edited | elliot svensson | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Jul 10, 2018 at 2:06 | comment | added | elliot svensson | I would prefer not to go to chat. If you prefer, you could take your next response and use it to re-forge your Question, and then I will read that and re-work my Answer. | |
| Jul 10, 2018 at 2:05 | comment | added | rus9384 | Let us continue this discussion in chat. | |
| Jul 10, 2018 at 2:03 | comment | added | elliot svensson | I wasn't talking about deceit regarding what's covered in sex ed class, but deceit regarding the relationship itself. It would be easy for a grown-up to make a kid believe that the relationship's commitment and power structure was in the kid's interest when in fact, it was not. | |
| Jul 10, 2018 at 2:00 | comment | added | rus9384 | If the youth is informed, how can [s]he be deceived? It is possible for 14-15 yo to have desire for sex, even for adult. If they had sex while adult was sleeping (yes, adult could not give consent), then youth gave consent, since there are no more agents. Then if we assume adult was not sleeping, not much changes: youth still could give consent. | |
| Jul 10, 2018 at 1:56 | comment | added | elliot svensson | I think we don't have "informed consent" in the US because we acknowledge the risk that grown-ups would be able to deceive youngsters in order to take advantage of them. | |
| Jul 10, 2018 at 1:37 | comment | added | rus9384 | This is somewhat illogical. What are the sources for people to see enough if f.e. watching porn is prohibited (yet another meaningless law, seen as obstacle)? I would argue for the idea of informed consent, regardless of age. It is not hard to know in 14 that STDs exist and that having sex results can result in pregnancy with no contraception. It's not hard to know some other important things at that age. | |
| Jul 10, 2018 at 1:33 | comment | added | elliot svensson | Yes, the same things happen with adults. The point of the age of consent law is that while no children below some age have seen enough to know what the risks are, at least most adults have seen enough and won't feel unjustly oppressed by the consequences of their liberty. | |
| Jul 10, 2018 at 1:13 | comment | added | rus9384 | "it would be really hard to say that these kinds of laws are oppression because they don't apply to people based on their permanent qualities but on a temporary situation that always goes away." Then it's impossible to oppress old people by doing those things which are not considered to be oppression when done against mod-age people. It's impossible to oppress those people who are bedridden because of illness. There are many analogies. | |
| Jul 10, 2018 at 1:11 | comment | added | rus9384 | "Should the ethical principle that people have freedom give every 9-year-old a shot at aiming a nuclear bomb?" But ethical principles do not allow such freedom for every adult as well. "sex does things to people's brains that nobody understands." - the burden of proof is on those who claims. Do same things work for adults or not? If yes, then what's the point of restriction? Also, in many societies it's allowed for two youths to have sex with each other and it's even worse when the baby is born in such couple rather than one of parents is adult. | |
| Jul 10, 2018 at 0:55 | history | answered | elliot svensson | CC BY-SA 4.0 |