Timeline for Is Benatar's "asymmetry of pleasure and pain" wrong?
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| Dec 8, 2019 at 1:15 | comment | added | Hierarchist | @dave, all darwinian life stems from a shared ancestor. This means a "loss" via darwinian competition is still infinitely better that never having played because at least a distant relative of yours "won". It'n why it's a "win" for me to die to save my family. Only in this case the family is all life on earth. | |
| Dec 7, 2019 at 18:09 | comment | added | dave | @Hierarchist And when you say “a valuator outside darwinism”... yes, I am very interested in that. | |
| Dec 7, 2019 at 18:07 | comment | added | dave | @Hierarchist Just to check.. zero-sum meaning there has to be losers for there to be winners, and, non-zero-sum meaning everyone wins? I agree the winners would value this, but my proposition is that it’s at the expense of the losers. | |
| Dec 6, 2019 at 14:14 | comment | added | Hierarchist | @dave, you're confused. Darwinism has intrinsic value because through its process, it creates valuators who give Darwinism value. Just that alone means Darwinism is not zerosum because the final outcome is positive. You're asking for extrinsic value now, you're looking for a valuator outside this Darwinism. There are solutions to that, but it's a completely different argument. | |
| Dec 5, 2019 at 19:16 | comment | added | dave | @Hierarchist Totally, but that’s just in the macro case. When that same cycle occurs indefinitely and yields no positive externality, that’s when it starts to look zero sum. | |
| Dec 4, 2019 at 17:25 | comment | added | Hierarchist | Darwinian life is not zero sum. If I suffer and die to save my family, that's positive sum. | |
| Jan 4, 2019 at 6:16 | comment | added | christo183 | see also: philosophy.stackexchange.com/q/56011/33787 | |
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| Jan 4, 2019 at 5:10 | history | answered | dave | CC BY-SA 4.0 |