Timeline for Value of human life in a simulation [closed]
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| Jun 18, 2019 at 14:30 | review | Reopen votes | |||
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| Jun 17, 2019 at 23:46 | history | closed |
Frank Hubeny curiousdannii Jishin Noben Conifold nwr |
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| Jun 17, 2019 at 22:19 | answer | added | CriglCragl | timeline score: 1 | |
| Jun 17, 2019 at 7:23 | comment | added | user38026 | dreams are definitely solipsistic. likewise, boltzmann brains surely are, as they are consciousnesses in which everything (including everyone else) is an illusion of reality. the issue for me is that bostrom cannot show that some specific person is real, because being like us is not sufficient for personhood (in a simulation). nor is it sufficient to show that someone else must exist, as they may exist in another simulation! anyway, sorry for apparently confusing the two terms: i didn't @armand ! | |
| Jun 17, 2019 at 7:03 | comment | added | user38026 | Let us continue this discussion in chat. | |
| Jun 17, 2019 at 7:01 | comment | added | armand | @another_name idealism and solipsism are different beasts altogether. If you are speaking about idealism, then the difference is that the simulator could be part of the material world. The question then become "can we leave the simulation ?". I agree that if the simulation is considered inescapable and undetectable, then we have a fancy kind of idealism, but it does not have to be so. I would also agree that both theories are nothing but useless unfalsifiable speculation for the entertaining of people with too much spare time. | |
| Jun 17, 2019 at 6:58 | comment | added | user38026 | i don't see the difference between a MMORPG version of simulationism and a (fancy) idealism @armand anyway, while MMORPGism does make sense, i'd guess most sophisticated simulation paradoxes are solipsistic. we're solipsist in our dreams, as we are, i'd assume, as Boltzmann brains. bostrom's argument may not assume we are alone in our simulation, if only because we can't understand what post humans are, nor their tech. however, he does talk about simulated realities (plural) which suggests that he has no answer to the solipsistic view | |
| Jun 17, 2019 at 5:58 | comment | added | armand | @another_name solipsism is the theory that nothing can be known but your own mind. Simulationism on the other hand postulate at least that their is a simulation, some hardware to run it, a designer, maybe even other minds in the simulation like an MMORPG. Even if one claims to be alone in the simulation, at least the simulator is outside of his own mind. | |
| Jun 16, 2019 at 21:27 | comment | added | user38026 | it's an incidental comment, but aren't simulationists committed to solipsism? | |
| Jun 16, 2019 at 21:18 | answer | added | present | timeline score: 0 | |
| Jun 15, 2019 at 17:10 | review | Close votes | |||
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| Jun 15, 2019 at 16:48 | comment | added | Frank Hubeny | Answers to this might be primarily opinion based. Is there someone you are reading who motivates this question? That reference might put this in some context that an answer can focus on. Can you reference some of the arguments you have heard? | |
| Jun 15, 2019 at 15:50 | review | First posts | |||
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