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I keep reading that quantum mechanics, atleast the standard interpretation, is local. However, local seems to imply that there’s no informational transfer faster than the speed of light.

But even if this doesn’t occur, in the case of entanglement, isn’t the measurement of one particle still affecting the outcome of another, even when separated at a distance? Isn’t this still happening instantaneously even if we can’t actually transfer that information of the state from one particle to another faster than the speed of light?

In another answer on here, “ it is a single distributed "quantum object" described by a joint wave function. It can "split" in two when observations are made, which is why we are tempted by classical intuitions to think of it as an interacting pair.”

I don’t see how this evades the problem. This just simply defines two objects somehow affecting each other at a distance as one joint object. It seems like it’s just redefining what locality was always meant to be, no? In what sense are two particles physically separated at a huge distance one joint system? By calling it a joint system, aren’t you already admitting action at a distance?

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It certainly seems that way. Entanglement experiments show that interactions in one place can affect interactions in another without there being sufficient time for a cause to propagate from one to the other. That presupposes that causes propagate at or below the speed of light, obviously.

But there are other effects that seem hard to reconcile, at least superficially, with locality. Take a two slits experiment, for example. In theory, the distance from the slits to the detecting screen can be as big as you like- let's make it a light year. The wave function of the electron passing through the slights expands to cover a vast wavefront larger than a square light year before it reaches the screen. Yet according to the Copenhagen way of thinking, when the electron is detected at a point on the screen, the huge spread of the wave function 'collapses' instantaneously. The instantaneous collapse would make sense if the electron 'really' had a fixed position all along, and the spreading wave function just represented your ignorance of where it was, but wave functions don't work that way. I've read that some of these issues are easier to interpret and live with if you abandon the idea of electrons as particles and treat them as waves. See here https://arxiv.org/pdf/1204.4616.pdf, for example, but my eyes glazed over before I could make much sense of it. I recall it suggested that the electron in the two slits experiment is entangled with the vacuum state, and that leads non-local effects. Who knows. And that's part of the problem with modern theoretical physics. The specialised aspects of it are so esoteric that you can't make sense of the competing claims about them without investing far more time and effort than anyone but the full time specialist can sensibly afford. My assumption is that the right interpretation of it all- if there is one- will eventually win a critical mass of supporters and emerge as the consensus 'truth'. Until then, it's all horribly speculative and a bit of a waste of time for dasabblers such as myself.

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  • So, according to the link you shared, how can scientists explain the difference between emulation and simulation?
    – fkybrd
    Nov 23, 2023 at 19:08
  • @fkybrd I have no idea what you mean. Nov 23, 2023 at 19:55
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    "Entanglement experiments show that interactions in one place can affect interactions in another without there being sufficient time" is false for reasonable common language interpretation of "affect". Entanglement experiments show that spacelike separated observers measure phenomena in such a way that when they eventually are able to measure one another, the universe looks internally consistent.
    – g s
    Nov 24, 2023 at 3:26
  • @gs cheers, but I'm not sure I agree with you. Your suggested replacement sentence about entanglement would not mean much to the person in the street, and if there were not something out of the ordinary going on with entanglement, then we wouldn't be so interested in it. I have read enough papers by physicists who are content to view it as a non local effect, to be happy to refer to it that way myself. All the best. Nov 24, 2023 at 6:52
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This question is about the interpretation of quantum theory (QT). The most popular interpretation at the moment is Everett's Many Worlds model and this will be used here.

According to QT a particle is present as a wavefunction until it experiences an interaction. A wavefunction can be used to calculate the probability of finding a particle in a particular state (position, momentum etc)**.

Suppose we have a state that can have the values A or B, the wavefunction can be used to calculate the probability of state A or state B at a particular place. According to QT the particle is in state A or B OR in a superposition of A and B (see Qubit ). When the particle experiences an interaction with the environment, such as a measurement, it is measured as being either A or B.

What do we think happens when the measurement is made? According to the Many Worlds interpretation if we measure the particle to have state A this state becomes part of our universe and state B is then lost to another universe.

Quantum wavefunctions can describe bodies of any size. There is even a wavefunction for the universe. Quantum entanglement occurs when a particle becomes a member of a group of particles that exchange information (interact) profusely so that the individual particle can no longer be described by a wavefunction over a meaningful period of time. Instead there is a wavefunction for the whole group. So long as the group is isolated from other groups the wavefunction of the group provides an accurate description of its states.

Suppose we measure a property of an entangled group such as position. At the moment of measurement the group becomes part of our own quantum entangled group and all the other possible positions of the measured group disappear into other universes. If the group we are measuring is large then a whole volume of space is affected instantaneously. We are selecting a particular state of an object from other states. Those states are already there in space as a quantum superposition so we are not shifting an object from one place to another.

In the case of a group of two entangled particles they continue to be described by a single wavefunction until either interacts with another group or the environment (the group of particles of which we are a part). A measurement of one of a pair of entangled photons will immediately select the value of the wavefunction for the other particle that is consistent with this measurement. All the superposed states of the photon group disappear into other universes of particles and we select just one set of states.

Why doesn't it take time for a selection of a particular state of a group to be expressed at a distant point? This is the same question as why doesn't it take time for the rear of a planet to be created after we first observe the front of it. It was always there. After creating an entangled pair of photons, letting them fly off to different places and then making a measurement on one, the complementary state was present at the position of the other photon along with all the other possible states. However, only the complementary state becomes part of our entangled environment once it is selected. The other states are lost to observation. We only observe our own entangled group (our environment) that now contains a particular state of a photon. There are other versions of us for whom this is not the case but we cannot observe them.

That is my understanding of the Many Worlds interpretation, there are other ways of looking at the problem. I am not convinced by any of the interpretations on offer including Many Worlds.

** strictly the wavefunction describes the "amplitude" for a particle to have a state but this is directly related to probability.

PS: Notice that the interpretation is compatible with special relativity. Our own entangled group becomes another group the moment a measurement causes another member to be incorporated. Our entire universe changes and SR applies within this changed universe.

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