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If you believe in the external presence (God), but you are not religious in a conventional way. You believe in destiny, guidance from above, the afterlife, but you don't believe that Jesus Christ or Allah is responsible for that. Then, what should they call you?

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  • Possibly resident of his/her dream world.
    – Jo Wehler
    Commented Apr 6 at 20:21
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    "It is not the name you call me that matters, only the name to which I respond."
    – Scott Rowe
    Commented Apr 6 at 21:24
  • I think you would just be theist, more specifically a monotheist, a non religious theist.
    – How why e
    Commented Apr 7 at 4:57

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Its fairly mainstream if you look up epistemological scepticism or indirect realism. Some notable examples

Plato

The intelligible world — often miscalled the world of Forms — is the reality.Today we just call it The Platonic Realm.
The sense-able world is the shadow world.
Best seen as the allegory of the cave

Kant

We have sufficiently proved … that everything intuited in space or in time, hence all objects of an experience possible for us, are nothing but appearances

We are stuck under the terms of space-time via our perceptions to see only phenomena.
What really exists — the thing in itself — is the noumena that we can never see or know directly

Vedanta

The world is the unreal.
The reality is Brahman.
A gossamer-thin but uncrossable barrier separates the two — maya.

The word ved-anta — knowledge-end (limit) — in itself tells a tale: What we wish to know cannot be known; what we know is worthless/unreal.

It is summarized in the three lines

Brahma satya
Jagat mithya
Jivao brahmaiva naapara

Brahman is real
The world is unreal
The soul and the absolute reality are identical

Plotinus, Gnostics

I would suggest you reflect on Plotinus. In some way he is the mystical completion of Plato.

Also consider the Gnostics. Especially since you are very drawn to the Matrix ideas, I think you will find the basic gnostic idea attractive: an ignorant/malevolent God who creates (Demiurge) and a supreme God (Pleroma) that is only accessible when the the creator-God is transcended via gnosis.

See The Gnostic Gospels

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Question: What is the point of meditation? Where is knowledge? If it is reality in a dream, or, dream in reality, or dream in a dream - it does not give knowledge.

Have you tried it?

A certain mystic guru who I know indirectly says:

People say that mantras don't work because they mean or signify anything but simply by focusing the mind. ie (they claim) repeating Coca-cola and repeating Om namah Shivaya are equivalent. I say to them are you speaking after trying or are you just imagining and pushing your preconceptions? I am ready to challenge anyone: Repeat coca-cola a million times and repeat Om namah Shivaya (or any sacred mantra) a million times and then tell me they are the same!

Here are some more established mystic sources who authoratively assert that meditation is a legitimate source of knowledge (from chatGPT)

  1. Meister Eckhart: The eye with which I see God is the same eye with which God sees me.

  2. Rumi: Silence is the language of God, all else is poor translation.

  3. St. Teresa of Ávila: Prayer is an act of love; words are not needed. Even if sickness distracts from thoughts, all that is needed is the will to love.

  4. St. John of the Cross: In the inner stillness where meditation leads, the Spirit secretly anoints the soul and heals our deepest wounds.

  5. Ramana Maharshi: Silence is truth. Silence is bliss. Silence is peace. And hence Silence is the Self.

  6. The Dalai Lama: The purpose of our lives is to be happy. Happiness is not something ready made. It comes from your own actions.

  7. Thomas Merton: Happiness is not a matter of intensity but of balance, order, rhythm, and harmony.


Question: Religion is part of a dream. You can believe in it, it is real. But I am interested in a programming language that programmed this dream together with this religion

Why/how to you distinguish the Matrix as special?

The Matrix is mythology.
Harry Potter is mythology.

So is Krishna, Abraham, Jesus...

All of them have their specific nuance and finesse — I value all of them... as mythology.

For me the touchstone is like this:

Where there are events, people, commotion... happiness, sadness,,, life,death... fear, bliss... As Kant so profoundly points out where there is space and time that is a dream world.

Where there is awareness it is waking

Factually speaking we always have elements of both.

Above I quoted 7 well known figures under 3 standard systems that chatGPT chose to give. There are dozens of systems and hundreds of figures. But behind this bewildering cornucopia of systems, methods, techniques there is a very simple basic intention:

Increase the awareness; decrease the drama.

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    You can repeat hundreds of times that everything is unreal, when you meditate or when you drink alone. But how can that advance our understanding of our reality? Commented Apr 6 at 20:08
  • @TheMatrixEquation-balance One day, you see through the illusion.
    – Scott Rowe
    Commented Apr 6 at 21:01
  • @TheMatrixEquation-balance Every morning when you awake you get a foretaste of an answer to your query: There is a moment, ok maybe a few seconds, when the entire frame is invalidated and you say Oh! That was a dream; this is «reality». Our mistake is we invest in the "reality" not the "dream"; but in fact everything is a dream. As Jung said: He who looks outwards dreams, he who looks inward awakens
    – Rushi
    Commented Apr 7 at 0:47
  • @Rushi - What is the point of meditation? Where is knowledge? If it is reality in a dream, or, dream in reality, or dream in a dream - it does not give knowledge. Commented Apr 7 at 3:35
  • Ive added a Added Later @TheMatrixEquation-balance
    – Rushi
    Commented Apr 7 at 4:05
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A theist believes in the existence of some being (deity) beyond what we can see (who's usually conscious and has some broad authority or power over and concern with reality and humanity).

This can include any deity (or set of deities) and isn't specific to Jesus or Allah.

There are different types of theists. The most noteworthy may be these: A pantheist believes that the universe itself is identical to a deity (whatever that means). This often seems to be conflated with deism, where the existence of a deity is revealed through nature (and they're often conceived of as a non-intervening creator of the universe). Whether these fall within the label of "theism" is arguable - many would say they don't.


An atheist doesn't believe (or lacks belief) in any such being. This includes both strong/positive atheism (believing that no gods exist) and weak/negative atheism (merely lacking a belief in any deity).

An agnostic considers the existence of a deity to be unknown or unknowable. This, generally and technically speaking, falls under (weak) atheism, although many (non-theist) agnostic laypeople take issue with this classification. But I'd draw a separation here with agnostic theists, who consider the existence of a deity to be unknown or unknowable, but who still believe in one or more (these obviously aren't atheists).

The most vocal atheists tend to be skeptics leaning towards (or calling themselves) naturalists, i.e. they don't accept any sort of supernatural forces (typically due to a lack of good evidence or other justification). But someone can be an atheist and still believe in destiny or some afterlife or ghosts or magical crystals or auras or whatever.


Based on what you describe, it sounds like you'd fall under theism, but you can judge that for yourself based on the definitions provided.

Belief in an external presence, in itself, wouldn't necessarily classify as theism. This could include belief that we live in a simulation, which needn't involve anything defined as a "deity" (although the simulation itself may or may not contain deities, and one can probably argue whether the simulators could be said to classify as deities to us). But you did label this presence "God", and you speak of guidance from above, so maybe you're assigning some additional traits to such a presence that could classify it as a deity.

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  • "A theist believes in the existence of some being (deity) beyond what we can see" - I have a hard time to attribute this classical description of supreme being - to a normal programmer-architect who designed our Matrix. Commented Apr 6 at 20:22
  • @TheMatrixEquation-balance it sounds like you'd fall under theism This answer comes from a place of fitting all religions into the Christian mold. And therefore equating theism with religion. But even staying within the Christian fold there are great variations. There are schools that emphasize the Holy Spirit over Father and Son — think Pentecostals, Quakers all the way back to Basil, Gregory and the gnostic mystics. In modern times the centering prayer of Fr. Keating was so popular that he was censured for being a crypto eastern mystic pretending christianity!! These are borderline theis
    – Rushi
    Commented Apr 7 at 2:43
  • @Rushi "This answer comes from a place of fitting all religions into the Christian mold" - excuse me? This answer applies to many forms of theism, including those outside of Christianity. It's not my fault that there's similarity between Christianity and other religions. Although I certainly didn't aim to detail every single form of theism, but rather just to give a brief overview of it.
    – NotThatGuy
    Commented Apr 7 at 2:55
  • @Rushi - Religion is part of a dream. You can believe in it, it is real. But I am interested in a programming language that programmed this dream together with this religion. Commented Apr 7 at 3:39
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    Why/How is that programming language not part of the dream @TheMatrixEquation-balance?
    – Rushi
    Commented Apr 7 at 3:58
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The usual term is spiritual. Another term that comes from 19th century British religious philosophy is deist.

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    "A theist is the opposite of an atheist. Theists believe in the existence of a god or gods. The word deist refers to someone who believes in God. But a deist believes that while God created the universe, natural laws determine how the universe plays out" - I don't think it fits the view of the world in a computer simulator. Commented Apr 6 at 20:31
  • @TheMatrixEquation-balance: No, it doesn't. Commented Apr 7 at 19:12

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