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We all know that Nick Bostrom's cliche argument in favor of Simulation Hypothesis.

My question is very simple and I am wondering if it can crack the Bostrom's hypothesis.

Lets assume that we are living in a simulation and our post human ancestor civilization created the codes of us in this simulation.

I am wondering;

A- What can be the reason of simulating Hitler, serial killers and all other crimes and wars? B- Why such an advanced civilization will bother by simulation with such blood and pain? Are they enjoying the evil acts in their simulation by watching us suffering? C- Should not they simulate a better world just even because they are advanced?

I appreciate your answers and thoughts

Note: While searching I found this essay related to the subject for whom are interested in extended source:

Theodicy and the simulation hypothesis, or: The problem of simulator evil

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/PbfFFs6koYqueaH8o/theodicy-and-the-simulation-hypothesis-or-the-problem-of

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  • In the movie The Matrix, it said that humans could not accept a perfect world. Maybe there's some truth to that? We could stimulate it and find out. I can't even imagine what a perfect world would look like.
    – Scott Rowe
    Commented Apr 22 at 17:47
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    i think your question has big potential. It can be changed to: why god makes the world whole of lie with the bit of truth only? Or some kind of this. Commented Apr 22 at 21:59
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    And what is the reason for the advanced civilization like ours to produce videogames like Dead Space and Manhunt, or movies like Purge? Or, for that matter, real life slaughters like China's cultural revolution, Cambodia's Khmer Rouge or Rwanda's genocide? Advanced civilizations can hardly be expected to act as benevolent gods, and even if they mostly were their deviants will have access to their technology and do with it as they please.
    – Conifold
    Commented Apr 22 at 23:31
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    A lot of simulation hypothesis stuff just retreads the arguments about theism. So it feels like en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_evil is relevant here, with the added loosening that we don't have to argue that the simulation-runners are omnibenevolent (or omniscient)
    – Kaia
    Commented Apr 23 at 0:11
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    Well that's an argument against a benevolent God too, right? Why is there evil? Ancient philosophical question.
    – user4894
    Commented Apr 23 at 3:50

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No, your argument doesn't materially affect the plausibility of the simulation hypothesis, since the plausibility is already infinitesimally close to zero without it. A few points you might like to consider:

  1. Why do you suppose whoever, or whatever, is responsible for the simulation has the same aversion to evil that we have?
  2. Why do you suppose they are 'simulating Hitler'? Perhaps they are just simulating DNA, and it just so happens that the simulated DNA evolved to produce Hitler.
  3. Why do you suppose those responsible for the simulation evolved from humans? How do you know humans are not wiped out in the coming millennia and supplanted by a species of hyper intelligent cockroaches?
  4. Why do you suppose those responsible for the simulation are aware of what's going on here and now? They might have thousands of separate simulations running- of which our Universe is just one- and perhaps they peek at them only once every few million years.
  5. Why do you suppose those who launched the simulations are still alive. Perhaps they died after they set the simulation running?
  6. How do you know that the simulators know we are conscious? Perhaps they think we are zombies.
  7. How do you know that the focus of interest of the simulators isn't some advanced empire on the other side of the Universe, and we are just a neglected side effect of the program?

Etc etc etc

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  • 1. Because the hypothesis argues that they are our ancestors. High probability that they have similar aversions.
    – Wiseman
    Commented Apr 23 at 7:01
  • 2. What ever they do they are letting evil power to act in the world regardless of the method.
    – Wiseman
    Commented Apr 23 at 7:04
  • 3. My argument is related with Bostrom's hypothessis assuming that they are only post human advanced ancestors
    – Wiseman
    Commented Apr 23 at 7:06
  • 4. What if not?
    – Wiseman
    Commented Apr 23 at 7:08
  • 5. In this case we are close to find an error in their simulation because of the lack of upgrades.
    – Wiseman
    Commented Apr 23 at 7:14
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All scientists and researchers would agree that it is better to go through edge cases by simulation than to let them happen in real life:

  • crash tests for cars
  • stress tests for laptops
  • the number of nuclear tests conducted is much larger than the number used in real-life scenarios
  • ...you name it

Would you simulate a perfect world for lab rats? From what I've heard, lab rats are used in completely opposite scenarios.

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    What is the difference between those who make these simulations and hackers who constantly uses FTA? Total waste of time for their intelligence level. This is evil, and they seek psychological superiority by applying it in a more uncontrolled way.
    – fkybrd
    Commented Apr 22 at 19:35
  • good and evil are human made terms, which are bound to morality, which is bound to society.
    – Kharuka
    Commented Apr 22 at 19:47
  • All your test examples are done for the benefit of humans. In terms of rats they are at least other species. What is the reason for simulating Hitler for the benefit of your own kind? @FedorOmni
    – Wiseman
    Commented Apr 22 at 20:01
  • @FedorOmni They also knew a lot of things, but they were saying things like this.
    – fkybrd
    Commented Apr 23 at 12:56
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