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  1. What was before The Big Bang?

  2. How has life started?

  3. How did intelligent life start?

In philosophy there are two polar extreme views:

a. Nothing exists (reliably) outside our personal imagination.

b. Everything is real in the physical world, but our personal consciousness is just a small reflection of this reality.

My question applies to the second point of view.

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    The answer to "is it possible we will never discover the fundamental truths" that seems like obviously yes, regardless of if discovering them is possible--we could all get struck by a meteor and die?
    – Kaia
    Commented Aug 14 at 18:52
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    It sure is. Humanity may well be wiped out in the next 100 years, it came close in 1962 already. Our perception or cognitive apparatus may well permanently screen off aspects of reality even if we last longer. But what is the question besides the triviality?
    – Conifold
    Commented Aug 14 at 18:53
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    We have plenty of indications about how life started, and we have much stronger evidence about how intelligence emerged. Asking what happened before the Big Bang is in part like asking what happened "before" time began (it's unclear if that question even makes sense) and it's in part like asking if we can make/discover a material stronger than the strongest known material - you're asking what's beyond the limits of our knowledge, but if we discover a new thing, that becomes the new limit and one can just ask what's beyond that - the question doesn't seem as significant as people seem to think.
    – NotThatGuy
    Commented Aug 14 at 19:23
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    @TheMatrixEquation-balance you asked about the "everything is real in the physical world, but our consciousness is just a small reflection of this reality". Isn't that "the ant's view"?
    – Kaia
    Commented Aug 14 at 19:53
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    It seems that you are trying to find an alternative to theism. I don't know of any successes in that area, but maybe someone here does.
    – Scott Rowe
    Commented Aug 14 at 21:57

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     The child is father of the man;
And I could wish my days to be
     Bound each to each by natural piety

As you can see (and feel?) above, the true poet is delicately balanced:

  • between natural and theological
  • between adult and child
  • between subjective and objective povs.

The poem — here its the great English poet William Wordsworth — will repay study in more detail. For here I will choose few parts, starting with a different one

A slumber did my spirit seal;
      I had no human fears:
She seemed a thing that could not feel
      The touch of earthly years.

No motion has she now, no force;
      She neither hears nor sees;
Rolled round in earth's diurnal course,
      With rocks, and stones, and trees.

The closing of the first

The Clouds that gather round the setting sun
Do take a sober colouring from an eye
That hath kept watch o'er man's mortality;
Another race hath been, and other palms are won.
Thanks to the human heart by which we live,
Thanks to its tenderness, its joys, and fears,
To me the meanest flower that blows can give
Thoughts that do often lie too deep for tears.

A more direct answer to your question would be from Jung:

He who looks outward dreams;
He who looks inward awakens

IOW meditate!
(whatever form or system makes sense to you)


Since some literalists want a more literal answer:

A good 3 centuries ago, Kant settled what he was confident enough to proclaim was his ‘Copernican Revolution:’ It is the representation that makes the object possible not the object that makes the representation possible:

Nothing which is intuited in space is a thing in itself, and space is not a form which belongs as a property to things; but objects are quite unknown to us in themselves, and what we call outward objects are nothing else but mere representations of our sensibility, whose form is space, but whose real correlated thing in itself is not known by means of these representations, nor ever can be, but respecting which, in experience, no inquiry is ever made.

Immanuel Kant — CPR

So what things are in their fundamental reality is either:

  • An ever unknowable problem
  • Or else a meaningless question

In Kantian language we are ever stuck in the phenomena — ‘the representations of our sensibility’, the phenomena, we can never know the noumena.

In that sense Kant (like Plato) prefigures (your favorite!) the Matrix: Being wired in(to) the matrix it is a hopeless exercise to struggle to get out... except on its terms.

This harks back to all the multitude of eastern teachings which in different ways assert: He who chooses God chooses because God chose him. vide.

  • Sufi AL-Hallaj: When I saw my Lord with the eye of the heart, I said, 'Who are You?' He said, 'You'
  • Bhagavad Gita: You cannot see Me with your present eyes. Therefore, I give you divine eyes. Behold My mystic opulence!
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  • Ultimately, poets, philosophers, scientists, all play the same role: to make human animals a little bit more human-like. In this endeavor, conservative thinking and progressive thinking carry their part. Commented Aug 15 at 3:42
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    @TheMatrixEquation-balance I actually thought of starting my answer with Gurdjieff There can be more difference between one man and another than between a man and a cockroach. But then, leftist PC has an inflated premium these days
    – Rushi
    Commented Aug 15 at 3:43
  • Not everybody can start thinking outside the box (literally). Commented Aug 15 at 4:23
  • On the contrary @TheMatrixEquation-balance. Everyone slides continually between 4 levels of language, therefore understanding
    – Rushi
    Commented Aug 15 at 4:25
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I remember a conference from the physicist Lawrence Krauss that can exemplify a true fact we could never have known about, were the circumstances different.

He spoke about the expansion of the universe and how it's accelerating. At some point galaxies will drift from one another so fast the light they emit won't be able to reach each other (basically, space will expand faster than light can cross it).

This means, astronomers of this era won't be able to see other galaxies, they will think the universe is made of but one such structure, and there's a whole lot of things they won't be able to understand about the universe (including the fact that it's expanding).

It raises the question: what other fundamental phenomenon are we unable to observe because we are in the wrong place or time, if any?

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  • Right, things probably looked pretty interesting billions of years ago. Maybe we could have seen the cosmic background radiation, or felt it.
    – Scott Rowe
    Commented Aug 14 at 21:51
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    @Rushi To be clear, that's not what this answer suggests at all. This is about the nature of the observable universe and how it is changing with time. The only reason we know that nature or the changes it is undergoing are the physicists you deride. The big rip is not regarded as a likely outcome in the universe's future. Finally, The God Delusion was written by a biologist and is a philosophical and political work, not primarily a scientific one. Commented Aug 15 at 5:12
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    @ScottRowe The CMB was predicted by Alpher and Herman about 15 years before its accidental discovery by Penzias and Wilson. They realized that when it was released it absolutely would have been visible. The peak of its spectrum (a ~3000K blackbody) would have been in the near IR, but it still would have had significant visible red and orange components. It would have been amazing to see, but also pretty quickly fatal, unfortunately, as literally the entire universe was that average temperature at that point in time. Commented Aug 15 at 6:22
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    @Rushi calling people clueless while demonstrating you didn't understand a word of what I wrote is funny. Maybe keep in check your own eagerness to proselytize before pointing at people who put in the actual research work so that you can have an internet to ramble on...
    – armand
    Commented Aug 15 at 9:21
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    @Rushi I didn't see the original comment, but if you don't like 'observable' universe, you could substitute "within the light cone" or something to get around that meddlesome observer. We can worship cause and effect instead, right? Entropy? "What do you want on your Tombstone" (pizza)?
    – Scott Rowe
    Commented Aug 15 at 11:25
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I dont see any plausible way to rule it out, so in general I think the answer to the question in your title is "Yes".

The three questions you provided are ones where our current state of knowledge (and even our reliable methods of building knowledge) can only speculate on those answers. There's no reason to expect that in the future we will come up with a foolproof method of verifying past events. Therefore, there's no reason to rule out the possibility that we will never answer those questions.

There's also more trivial reasons, like those mentioned in the comments. It is possible for all humans to be wiped out in practically any time frame, before we could answer those questions.

It is also possible that the answers to those questions cannot be comprehended by humans, so in that case it also wouldnt be possible for us to answer those questions due to fundamental limits of our comprehension.

You could probably come up with more reasons, but really it only takes one for the answer to be "yes".

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    @TheMatrixEquation-balance I'm talking from a human point of view because it is the only one available to us. I dont see why I should think from the "creators" point of view, because it is also possible that no such creator exists.
    – JMac
    Commented Aug 14 at 19:17
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    @TheMatrixEquation-balance That doesnt make sense as an analogy here. In a theatre you are going to see a show that you know was written by someone and that is external to the events on stage. We dont know how life in general came to be, it doesnt make sense to just assume there is some creator.
    – JMac
    Commented Aug 14 at 19:57
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    @TheMatrixEquation-balance I'm answering the question, which is about the possibility that those questions cant be answered. The question isnt about theism, why would you expect me to go over arguments against theism here? Your comments are essentially nonsense.
    – JMac
    Commented Aug 14 at 21:13
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    @TheMatrixEquation-balance I can imagine a creator, I just don't see any good reason to think one exists. And if this reality had a creator, I can also imagine what traits they might have, and if given some traits of a creator, I can also imagine what type of reality they might create - many theists propose a creator with traits that are at odds with what we'd expect to see in this reality (and that are at odds with other parts of their own theology).
    – NotThatGuy
    Commented Aug 14 at 22:36
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    @Rushi I still have no idea what contradictions you think you're seeing. I also have no idea what Lemaitre's other activities has to do with anything (unless you have some deeply twisted and deformed view of science, where it's no longer about evidence, explanatory power and experimentation, but instead about dogma and presupposition). And pretending that the Bible has any scientific merits whatsoever is little more than delusion: you're just looking at what science produced after the fact, and bashing words with a hammer until their bent and broken enough for you to see some similarities.
    – NotThatGuy
    Commented Aug 15 at 4:49
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Stuff that is real but is unobservable is not really reliably real, e.g.

An outstanding characteristic of modern physics is the application of the principle that only that which is observable is significant. ... the followers of Einstein maintained that if the physical world were regarded as including entities or conceptions which were unobservable either directly or indirectly, there was no criterion for distinguishing the real from the unreal. (Nature, 1937)

So what we can reliably talk about tends towards the limits of knowledge and reason. Admittedly this is unsatisfactory as regards for instance, knowing what is in unobservable space. Nevertheless, all is not lost. Since it can be demonstrated that the contradiction of causality and spontaneity confounds reason, the accessible starting point is necessarily moved back to personal existence which brings the perspective into its proper orientation. From there we can comprehend finitude, beginnings and endings.

Re. "truths about the origins of our reality will never be discovered?"

Thus one might consider, "how has reality originated for me?" Childhood.

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  • "how has reality originated for me?" - The childhood of the ant observing the world from the leaf. This is a small room where philosophers locked themselves in. For the rest of the world there is such a thing as imagination. Commented Aug 14 at 19:55
  • "Stuff that is real but is unobservable is not really reliably real" - There are plenty of entities considered real in science that we can't observe, but we can observe the effects of them. And then we make guess about what they are like based on those effects. And our guesses change over time. Commented Aug 14 at 20:05
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    @ConiferTravis Being able to see their effects is the same as observable in the long run. Commented Aug 14 at 20:06
  • @TheMatrixEquation-balance You may imagine all you like but philosophy tends to like some rigour. Commented Aug 14 at 20:17
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    @ScottRowe As I understand it the demonstration is straightforward. Astronauts in different frames can pre-calculate according to their time dilation so that from one astronaut's point of view they could all snap their fingers absolutely simultaneously, (not just so it looks simultaneous from the light received, but actually so). However, the finger snaps wouldn't be simultaneous from the other astronauts' perspectives. Each one's arrangement for synchronised finger snaps would be different. Everyone has their own set of simultaneous events. Presentism is relative! adding nuance for being. Commented Aug 15 at 13:16

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