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Does anyone claim that what Nietzsche's heroes (and antiheroes?) will the return of isn't every violent human (or natural?) mistake, but some particular aspect of history?

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    Any chance you could unpack this a bit further? What exactly are you hoping for someone to explain to you here? – Joseph Weissman Jun 13 '16 at 17:59
  • i have no idea why it isn't clear, so clarifying will be difficult. is there anything in particular you don't understand or can't read ? – user6917 Jun 13 '16 at 18:02
  • I believe what Joseph is saying is that your question is grammatically incorrect which of course causes confusion. – megachuck Jun 13 '16 at 18:21
  • can you say where it is grammatically correct e.g @megachuck – user6917 Jun 14 '16 at 4:55
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    Also, I think it is easy to think read this question as grammatically incorrect like @megachuck did. It isn't, but it feels clunky because of the parenthesis, and the fact that our brains don't want parse the word will with the meaning that you intend it to have. – dgo Jun 14 '16 at 15:08
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It seems clear in context that what one is meant to be wishing for when wishing for eternal recurrence is the repetition of this moment now. The point is to always live in such a way that you would not want any alternative version of the current moment more than the one that is already happening, if you could back off and consider it in context for arbitrarily long, because this moment can be expected to lead into to moments you would wish never to lose.

E.g. one appearance is:

What, if some day or night a demon were to steal after you into your loneliest loneliness and say to you: 'This life as you now live it and have lived it, you will have to live once more and innumerable times more' ... Would you not throw yourself down and gnash your teeth and curse the demon who spoke thus? Or have you once experienced a tremendous moment when you would have answered him: 'You are a god and never have I heard anything more divine.' (The Gay Science)

The moments (in this case the ultimate single moment) you would wish to have return forever should offset every moment you might wish had turned out differently. Whatever others must suffer for you to regain those peaks is both largely irrelevant, and completely outside your power to control.

  • It says "as you now live it and have lived it." That does not just mean "as you now live it." It includes "as you ... have lived it." – Colin McLarty Jun 13 '16 at 22:05
  • @ColinMcLarty But you are being told by the 'demon' that you are in an eternal recurrence, which means there is about zero percent chance that this is the first time. So of course you have previously lived it exactly this way as well as living it now. (What does that have to do with the answer, in any way?) – user9166 Jun 13 '16 at 23:27
  • i'm in fact going to go with this as a v sophisticated and perhaps correct answer, thanks – user6917 Jun 14 '16 at 9:05

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