Source: p 210 Bottom, Introducing Philosophy for Canadians: A Text with Integrated Readings (2011 1 ed).
Primary Source: Book 2, Chapter 8, ¶ 16, An Essay Concerning Human Understanding (1689) by John Locke.
- Examples. Flame is denominated hot and light; snow, white and cold; and manna, white and sweet, from the ideas they produce in us.
Which qualities are commonly thought to be the same in those bodies that those ideas are in us, the one the perfect resemblance of the other, as they are in a mirror, and it would by most men be judged very extravagant if one should say otherwise. [...]
[ 2007 Paraphrase by Jonathan Bennett :] 16. Flame is called ‘hot’ and ‘light’; snow ‘white’ and ‘cold’; and manna ‘white’ and ‘sweet’—all from the ideas they produce in us. [We know that Locke sometimes calls qualities ‘ideas’, but that seems not to be enough to explain the oddity of the next sentence down to its first comma. The passage as given here is almost verbatim Locke; all of the oddity is there in what he wrote.] Those qualities are commonly thought to be the same in those bodies as those ideas are in us, the one perfectly resembling the other; and most people would think it weird to deny this. [...]
I do not understand the sentence coloured in grey. Please correct my conjectures:
'Qualities' refers to 'hot and light', 'white and cold', and 'white and sweet'. Correct?
Are 'flame', 'snow', and 'manna' the bodies?
Then what are the Ideas in these 3 examples?
What sameness is the sentence trying to communicate? Both Locke and the Paraphrase appeared to have performed a Gapping Ellipsis that I complete:
Those qualities are commonly thought to be the same in those bodies as those ideas are [commonly thought to be the same] in us