When it comes to debates about the existence of an "all powerful all knowing god" believers and non-believers alike often times both agree that the existence of that god can't be scientifically or empirically disproved. This is attributed to the idea that any part of the supernatural world (if it does exist) can't be disproved without leaving, or observing outside of, the natural world.

It's kind of a flaw especially if you believe we can never observe the supernatural world, and believing in the supernatural almost becomes a logical fallacy if you are a materialist. So my question is, to be as straightforward as possible, does existentialism suffer from the same problem? To elaborate, I mean this in the sense that in order to disprove that existence precedes essence you would have to prove that a supernatural world does exist, which by definition is impossible.

Of course, this question assumes that the supernatural world is, by definition, inaccessible. This entire question would be void if that notion is wrong, but let's set that aside for the purposes of this question.

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    For a question about existentialism, a really high percentage of this material is about the thing you want to analogize it to. The question would be stronger and clearer if you just dropped the theistic religion analogy and asked about "existentialism" -- but then it would be even better if you had one thinker in mind rather than a category coined by Jean Paul Sartre and retroactively applied to others. – virmaior Sep 6 '16 at 22:54
  • I don't think "existence precedes essence" requires the supernatural, it only prioritizes first person experience of the world over third person representations of it. Some brands of materialism are logically compatible with that (but you'd need indeterministic ontology at least). Sartre, the author of the motto, moved towards Marxism in his late years, i.e. towards dialectical materialism marxisttheory.org/… – Conifold Sep 7 '16 at 1:22
  • Thanks! I allways thought existentialism cotridctory to the supernatural. And youre right i should have specified on someone like Hume or something but then again i was thinking in terms of moder day thinking – Josh Miller Sep 7 '16 at 3:00
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    "... monotheistic religion almost becomes a logical fallacy if you are a materialist." is not correct. A logical fallacy regards the "form" of an argument; in a philosophical/religious context, we have a lot of "assumptions" (some hidden) that are highly debatable and debated. If you do not agree on some of the said assumptions, this regards not the "form" of the argument, but its "starting points". – Mauro ALLEGRANZA Sep 7 '16 at 8:40
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    Having said that, it's hard to think that someone can "scientifically or empirically disprove" a religious as well as a philosophical "point of view", like existentialism and - more specifically - the main thesis that "existence precedes essence". – Mauro ALLEGRANZA Sep 7 '16 at 8:42

If empirical undecidability is indeed a disease then philosophy is afflicted by it in almost its entirety, materialism included. The basic tenet of materialism, that everything is matter, is as undecidable empirically as the basic tenet of theism, that God exists (especially since the meanings of "matter" and "God" have been stretched to a point of vacuity). Attempts to eliminate undecidable (a.k.a. metaphysical) commitments altogether, undertaken by early Wittgenstein and logical positivists like Carnap, eventually revealed themselves as based on... metaphysical commitments, see van Fraassen's Against Naturalized Epistemology. "Language is far more complex than logicians and the author of the Tractatus imagined", wrote the author of the Tractatus some years after suggesting that the only meaningful sentences were those of empirical science. Nothing short of radical skepticism, which refuses to assert or deny anything at all, escapes non-empirical metaphysics, not even "pure" sense empiricism detached from materialism, a la Quine. Indeed, one needs to accept some non-empirical methodological principles to even stage and make sense of empirical observations and experiments, see Friedman on relativized a priori.

"Nothing is in the intellect that was not prior in the senses". This motto of sense empiricism is itself non-empirical. And Aristotle, to whom it is attributed, was an objective idealist (his ontology included universals, souls and even the divine intellect), and the one who coined the term "metaphysics". Aristotle also believed, like Peirce, Husserl, or Gödel more recently, that we directly perceive some categorial aspects of objects in addition to purely sensory ones, that extends the scope of "empirical" without introducing anything supernatural.

As far as metaphysical commitments go, existentialism is leaner than Aristotlelian essentialism, theism or materialism. It is somewhat an exaggeration to say, but not by much, that an existentialist greets the traditional idealism/materialism and realism/phenomenalism divides with a big "who cares". They are dismissed as intellectual games that obscure the (non-intellectual) "truth" of existence. Heidegger, arguably the most prominent existentialist rejected the Sartre's motto "existence precedes essence" in his Letter on Humanism for... being metaphysical: "But, the reversal of a metaphysical statement remains a metaphysical statement. With it he stays with metaphysics in oblivion of the truth of Being". Quite an unlikely alignment with the early Wittgenstein and Carnap.

As a philosophy of human action, ethics, existentialism is largely indifferent to (traditionally understood) epistemology and ontology. At best, they are secondary wheels, which may or may not help with the "truth of Being". But if an existentialist wants them anyway there is a wide variety of options to choose from, including materialist ones. The supposed incompatibility with materialism is based on taking the latter as the crude mechanistic materialism a la Hobbes and du Bois Reymond. The problem is that its (very much metaphysical) determinism rules out human freedom, the cornerstone of existentialism. But even Marx's dialectical materialism already relaxes determinism, especially in its Lukác's version, which Sartre himself came to favor in 1960s. Other versions of non-reductive materialism can easily accomodate existentialists with materialist leanings too, e.g. Davidson's anomalous monism, or Kane's libertarian materialism, or better yet Nancy Cartwright's "dappled world", emerging out of proto-material deep flux. Timpson argues in Quantum Bayesianism that statistical interpretations of quantum mechanics fit perfectly with her

"...ontological picture for science in which objects primarily have dispositions or powers and it is only when these powers interact in highly contrived, or highly specialised, situations that they will give rise to the repeatable, regular behaviour that can be described by the kinds of general statements we traditionally think of as laws of nature, or as lawlike truths... the world just is arranged in such a way that we do get consistency between the behaviour in these different domains, some governed by some laws, others by others, some not at all."

And this in turn fits perfectly with a third person perspective on an existentialist worldview.

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