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What are some objections to this form of the argument? It seems like the only premise that can be disputed is premise 1, but nobody has successfully disproven the possibility of a maximally great being.

  1. It's possible that a maximally great being exists. In other words, a maximally great being exists in some possible world.
  2. If a maximally great being exists in some possible world, it exists in every possible world.
  3. If a maximally great being exists in every possible world, then it exists in the actual world
  4. Therefore, a maximally great being exists in the actual world.

Support for premise 2: A maximally great being wouldn't be maximally great if it only existed in some possible world. To be maximally great it has to exist in every possible world.

  • How do you justify premise 2? – Eliran Mar 25 '17 at 10:23
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    If the Christianity site cannot do truth claims why exactly can the Phil site? – Neil Meyer Mar 25 '17 at 13:01
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    No, it does not; the conclusion: "a maximally great being exists" is false, and thus the either the argument is not valid or some of the premises is false. – Mauro ALLEGRANZA Mar 25 '17 at 14:28
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    It seems to me the modality in your argument is an idle wheel that does no work. Premise 1 is redundant, what you need is the conclusion of Premise 2, and the justification for it has nothing to do with Premise 1. It is roughly that otherwise MGB is not greatest "in every way". But if this reasoning works then it can be directly applied to the actual world, and the argument reduces to the old one of Anselm, no modality needed. It does not work because if it did it would prove too much, e.g. the existence of "maximally greatest" island, clown, carrot, etc., as Gaunilon pointed out to Anselm. – Conifold Mar 28 '17 at 0:31
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    What does "great" mean? – Frank Apr 8 '17 at 23:39
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I understand your argument as follows:

  1. A maximally great being possibly exists.
  2. If a maximally great being possibly exists then it necessarily exists.
  3. If a maximally great being necessarily exists then it actually exists
  4. Therefore, a maximally great being actually exists.

Here is a reconstruction using modal logic:

  1. ◊∃xGx
  2. ◊∃xGx → □∃xGx
  3. □∃xGx → ∃xGx
  4. Therefore, ∃xGx

As written, the argument is valid; the conclusion does follow. Now for the premises.

Premise 3 is a logical truth, no problem there.

Premise 1, I take it, would be justified by claiming that a maximally great being is conceivable, and that it is therefore possible. That does seem plausible, but it is controversial whether conceivability entails possibility.

Premise 2 needs further support. You're assuming that if a maximally great being possibly exists then it necessarily exists, but you provide no justification for that. Possibility usually does not entail necessity, so you need some argumentation for this premise.

Finally, David Lewis provides a very good analysis of Anselm's modal ontological argument (which is somewhat similar to yours) in his paper Anselm and Actuality.

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    For premise 2, I think the idea is that it's greater to exist in every possible world. Hence, if a being exists in fewer than all possible worlds, then it's not maximally great. – user18800 Mar 27 '17 at 21:54
  • What is the point of rephrasing the argument like this? Why not comment on the original premises? – ILoveJesus Apr 4 '17 at 13:55
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    @ILoveJesus because you are making a modal argument and asking about the logical validity of the argument; why would translating it into modal logic be irrelevant? Modal logic gives a deductive proof system for modal arguments, which seems to be what you want to use to evaluate your argument. – Not_Here Apr 5 '17 at 17:24
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The proof does not work, I think. Your problems are premises 1 and 2.

My main problem is with premise 1: it is possible for a maximally great being to exist. Why should we accept this?

There is the tempting notion, mentioned in Eliran's (considerably better) answer, that anything we can imagine must be possible; but there is a great deal to be said about the nature of possibility and the rational mind before we can accept this. And even if it were true, the principle can surely only applied to determinate ideas, not simply names. For instance I can talk a fair amount about a circular square, but there is no true picture of such a thing in my mind. The same could be said of a world without time. Perhaps the same is true of a maximally-great being. At the very least I do not have such a picture.

We want some additional explanation for premise 2. We must show that necessary existence is greater than contingent existence. Now intuitively this is easy, in that it seems to be true, but we probably want to say that greatness comes from predicates, and it's not clear that necessity is a predicate.

To recap:

  1. We don't know that intelligibility implies possibility

And

  1. We don't know that "maximally-great being" is a truly intelligible concept

So

  1. We don't know that it is possible for a maximally-great being to exist.

What's more,

  1. We don't know that necessity is a predicate

Which means

  1. We don't know it is greater to exist necessarily than contingently

Therefore

  1. The proof fails.
  • The argument does not fail just because we are not 100% sure of the things you mentioned. All that's necessary is for the premises to be more plausible than their negations. So your conclusion is false. – ILoveJesus Apr 5 '17 at 16:38
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    It's not a proof if it does not in fact prove anything. It may well be a valid argument, but that is a long step away from a proof. Roughly, you need uncontroversial premises for a proof. – Canyon Apr 5 '17 at 17:00
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    You're right, I used the word "proof" in the title. Oops. – ILoveJesus Apr 5 '17 at 17:05
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The proof fails in the very first step. You try to justify this step in your initial explanation, but let's just put this explanation as part of the proof.

  1. Nobody has successfully disproven the possibility of a maximally great being.
  2. It's possible that a maximally great being exists.

You are basically fallaciously playing with the word "possible" here. What you've proven is that it's "possible" in the sense that "we do not know whether or not a maximally great being exists" i.e. the possibility is derived from uncertainty. However, you then try to jump to

  1. In other words, a maximally great being exists in some possible world.

which requires you to establish a different meaning of possible--specifically, "in the set of all possible worlds, there is at least one in which a maximally great being exists." In this case, the possibility is derived from nonzero probability.

If your incorrect line of reasoning was valid, we could literally prove any mystery/uncertainty of the universe with it.

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In a "round-about way" you are saying the same thing (using circular logic).
Let me rephrase:
1. It is possible that God Exists, (an assumption)
4. Therefore, God exists. (an unfounded assertion).
In other words, just because something is possible, does not necessarily make it so!

  • That's not what I'm saying. That's what premises 2 and 3 are for. – ILoveJesus Apr 5 '17 at 16:25
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Breaking an informal argument into explicit steps is only half the battle; you also have to define your terms. In particular, this will often reveal that an "obvious" assumption is anything but . . .

. . . as it does in this case. You've edited to stipulate that statement (2) is justified by the definition of "maximally great being," so is implied by statement (1). OK, that's fine, but that depends on what you mean by "maximally great being." Whether or not the possibility of a maximally great being is plausible (let alone true) depends on what that phrase means precisely, and that's something you haven't even tried to do.

So you can indeed make (2) justified by choosing a sufficiently strong meaning for "maximally great being," but then that makes (1) extremely objectionable: given that maximal greatness now quantifies over all possible worlds, why on earth should such a thing be possible at all? ("Given any thing, I can imagine a better thing . . .")

And "nobody has successfully disproven the possibility of a maximally great being" is not a justification for (1) being a "reasonable" assumption at all. Nobody has yet disproved the possibility of a counterexample to the Riemann hypothesis; is that a reasonable assumption to make?


OK fine, a comment on the last sentence: in mathematics people do prove "conditional" results, e.g. "If the Riemann hypothesis is false, then [something]." However, the hypothesis is part of the result: we do not claim to have proved [something]! So you can perfectly reasonably claim the conditional result "If the existence of a maximally great being is possible, then there is a maximally great being," but (a) that's not much of a surprise, and (b) you'll still need to define "maximally great being."

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I assume your argument here is based on Plantinga's work. If so, a key thing you are ignoring is the primary axiom on which the argument relies, 'Axiom S5'. The modal operator states something along the lines of:

If it is possible that something is necessarily true, it must (logically) therefore be necessarily true in at least one possible world. If something is necessarily true in at least one possible world, it (logically) must be necessarily true in all possible worlds.

To demonstrate this, you could use a basic math sum as an example. It is possible that 2 + 2 = 4 is necessarily true, which means that in at least one possible world, 2 + 2 = 4 is necessarily true. However, if 2 + 2 = 4 is necessarily true in at least one possible world, it must also be necessary in all possible worlds.

To counter this axiom, with this example, you would have to argue why a world in which 2 + 2 does not equal 4 is a logically tenable possibility. This is fruitless though, because at this point you're arguing against a predefined set of terms, that are almost universally uncontroversial. The same can be said of Plantingas ontological argument and his concept of maximal greatness. The only way you might squeeze out of Axiom S5 as having these implications is if you, like James Garson, argue that necessary and possibility don't mean what Plantinga intends.

When the effect of this axiom is taken into account, the modal ontological argument can no longer be said to be begging the question, or circular reasoning. It simply demonstrates that if it is possible that the existence of a god-like being is necessarily true in one possible world, it's existence is simply necessary (in all possible worlds, of which ours is one).

Depending on your conclusions about the internal consistency of the definition of maximal greatness, this argument succeeds in proving that a maximally great being is either necessary (and thus god exists), or impossible (and thus god does not exist).

The problem with unicorns and pizza, and other silly replacements of maximal greatness is that there is nothing intrinsically "great" about any of them, especially in the sense that Plantinga means.

I'd strongly encourage you too study his argument more closely.

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