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In his book: History of Western Philosophy, Bertrand Russell writes: Nothing is so difficult to account for as the sudden rise of civilisation in Greece. Is that really so? What if the Greeks inherited it from the Minoans?

After all Philosophy started in what was once Minoan colonies... And the Liar Paradox one of the most difficult logical problems in history seems to have come from Crete through Epimenides.

At Crete we have the first Laws written on stones in Greece. "Crete pioneered the idea of the 'city-state' and developed it for longer than anywhere else in the ancient Greek world." From where came Crete's astonishing creativity?

https://www.psbooks.co.uk/The-Creativity-of-Crete-9781904955955

(Edited) Wikipedia is free and books are expensive: It appears that Crete being an ISLAND in the Mediterranean may have had the longest continuous civilisation in the Middle east since the earliest human traces (stone tools) dates back as early as 130,000 years ago, evidence for the first anatomically-modern human presence dates to 10,000–12,000 YBP.

A comparative study of DNA haplogroups of modern Cretan men showed that a male founder group, from Anatolia or the Levant, is shared with the Greeks. Its the genetics from the first Anatolian farmers 12000 years ago that still is showing up in the modern population. Its no wonder the Minoans worshipped bulls. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/archaeology-and-history/magazine/2017/09-10/Minoan_Crete/

They reached/colonised Etruria , Basque , Brittain AND NORWAY! They wanted the fine silver where Oslo lies today!

Their priests had horns from bulls so VIKING PRIESTS took up the custom. They Probably also traded with the Eastcoast of Sweden but stopped coming when the Thera Eruption seriously weakened the Minoans! So we Swedes made pictures of boats at the former trade harbours hoping the gods would send the Minoans back!

Seriously weakened the Minoans could not stop their former colony THE MYCAENEANS from taking over Crete and stealing some of their high culture. For example: The god DIONYSOS a Minoan god.

  • See Minoan civilization : "The Minoan civilization was an Aegean Bronze Age civilization on the island of Crete and other Aegean islands which flourished from about 2600 to 1100 BC. It preceded the Mycenaean civilization of Ancient Greece. Although the Minoan language and writing systems (Linear A) remain undeciphered, and are the subject of academic dispute, they apparently conveyed a language entirely different from the later Greek." – Mauro ALLEGRANZA May 19 '18 at 17:17
  • Thus, we have no extant records of Minoan philosophers or other text that can be transmitted to the Mycenean world that in turn spanned the period from approximately 1600–1100 BC, which in turn are not the "Classical" Greece. – Mauro ALLEGRANZA May 19 '18 at 17:19
  • You can see e.g. Thomas Martin, Ancient Greece : From prehistoric to hellenistic times, Yale UP (2000) for an overview of the history of Greece and Crete during the Bronze Age. – Mauro ALLEGRANZA May 19 '18 at 17:31
  • Plato himself wanted to throw the origin of philosophy backward in time, to Egypt, in the Timaeus. It is the kind of thing that one cannot imagine becoming, once one has it. But large tracts of what underlies Greek philosophy seems to have come from the Far East, and to have been brought back by men who took part in wars in Asia Minor. So local to Greece seems to be the last place to look. – user9166 May 19 '18 at 18:31
  • But the issue is not whether Cretan being in contact with "continental" Greeks: this is sure. But the issue is about the speculation regarding a Minoan philosophy being transmitted to "classical" Greece: we simply have no testimony about anything that can be considerd "philosophy". – Mauro ALLEGRANZA May 20 '18 at 7:38
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No. This is the short answer but there is also a longer story. As things stay the burden of proof would be on the side asserting a Minoan origin. There should be evidence and arguments because minoan culture does not seem to have been different from other palatial cultures.

If one tends to see philosophy as set of separable puzzles to be solved by various means then one could believe it to be transportable. Actually much depends about how one conceives both philosophy and history. The debate about the origin was the great affair of the 19th c, and there is rather good recent book From Hegel to Windelband,Historiography of Philosophy in the 19th Century, ed G. Hartung and V. Pluder, De Gruyter 2015. ( includes M. Forster Does Western Philosophy Have Non-Western Roots?, p.141-58 ). In the 20th c. the value of 'origin' has plumeted but nothing significant seems to have been said against the historicist stance that makes philosophy not just a Greek invention but an inherent part of its culture. It was after Homer, the myths and the sages that philosophers appeared.

  • Homer, who Sand1 happen to mention, wrote the Odyssey somewhere around 800 BC. In which he tells a story about the cyclop Polyphemus with the sense moral that one should not believe NOBODY TO BE SOMEBODY. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyphemus Homer was a Mycaenean author and maybe his literary brilliance has blinded the world from recognizing him as being the first logician and philosopher in History ... The philosopher Parmenides some 200 years later got his deserved fame for claiming that one should not believe NOTHING TO BE SOMETHING! Just remember who told you first. – Sigurd Vojnov May 19 '18 at 23:32
  • Well, greeks have taken at least some words from minoans. This opens a possibility that they took some ideas with those words as well. – rus9384 May 20 '18 at 19:20
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According to Plato the Greeks inherited wisdom from the Egyptians; as he was a prominent early philosopher it might be worth taking this into account.

There again, perhaps as early as then, there was such a thing as Greek or Hellenic chauvinism, and perhaps he was simply his riposte to philosophy couched in chauvinistic terms and not in universal terms.

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    The subject I bring up is extremely wide and at present I think its more a matter of collecting facts that can bring light to the matter. So thanx for the tip of plato. – Sigurd Vojnov May 20 '18 at 21:15
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Im opening a second window on Minoan affairs... Since I dont want to expand my first post. It can stay as my opening move! Nor do I want to ask questions elsewhere... interested readers shouldnt have to go looking for information all around the place.

An example on cultural diffusion from minoans into greeks is the God Dionysos who dont fit well im with the other Olympic gods and once were believed to be an import from Thracia ... but modern scholars has shown that "Dionysius" is a minoan word ... Dont ask me how, I cant remember everything I read. And with him came the mystery cults long believed to have a middle eastern origin. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Roman_mysteries

We have not known about the Minoan culture for long so we all naturally believed there WAS NO HIGH DEVELOPED MINOAN CULTURE that (also through the myceneans) could have kickstarted the Famous Greek Culture!

Plato has been brought up ... In his last work (which I havent read):The Laws

Plato discusses the origin of law and where does he place the discussion?

The dialogue takes place on the island of Crete, The conversation is led by an Athenian Stranger , the ordinary Spartan citizen Megillos and the Cretan politician and lawgiver Clinias from Knossos. Are there three different sources of Greek Law?

Sparta https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sparta Athen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek_law
CRETE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gortyn_code#Bringing_suit

Ill leave it there for the moment...

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