I need to know that a universal law like the First Law Of Motion may be disproved or not. I mean, that how can we make sure that the particular law will hold true at all places of the universe?

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    The answer is “the enterprise of science”. There is really no such thing as a “law” in the sense you’re asking. There are only theories with more or less compelling evidence or contrary evidence. Science holds all such theories contingently, always. Humanity assumed for (prehistoric) millennia the Earth was flat. We were wrong. We held for millennia that time was absolute, not relative. We were wrong. It’s always possible we will encounter new data that contradicts existing theories, no matter how widely-held, no matter how cherished. Science is contingent; that’s the price at the door. – Dan Bron Nov 12 at 13:56
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    An object at rest stays at rest and an object in motion stays in motion with the same speed and in the same direction unless acted upon by an unbalanced force. I'd argue that no object is ever really at rest, except relative to the speed and position of other objects. – Bread Nov 12 at 13:58
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    @Bread From a physicist's point of view. all motion is relative to other objects. There is no concept of an object at rest in an absolute sense. So, you'd argue correctly. – David Thornley Nov 12 at 17:48
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    @Joshua Last I saw, no proposed EM drive was going to establish an absolute spacetime coordinate system. The proposal is to ditch the momentum and energy conservation laws (which, by Noether's theorem, means the laws of physics will vary over time and space). – David Thornley Nov 12 at 21:11
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    Your two sentences are about subtly different concepts. Your first is "how can we disprove a false universal statement?" A single counterexample suffices. If our universal is "all swans are white" then a single black swan disproves it. But your second statement is "how can we prove a true universal statement?" The only way to prove that is to observe all swans. That's going to be hard to do with physical laws! – Eric Lippert Nov 12 at 21:53

I need to know that a universal law like the First Law Of Motion may be disproved or not. I mean, that how can we make sure that the particular law will hold true at all places of the universe?

'Disproving' means showing that something is not true. The name for showing that a law will hold true at all places and times 'proving'.

Many philosophers would say the answer is yes:

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/induction-problem/

In reality, proof and disproof are both impossible, as explained by the philosopher Karl Popper. Any argument uses assumptions and ideas about the consequences of those assumptions. The truth of the conclusion of any argument depends on the correctness of the assumptions and of the rules applied to them. Trying to guarantee the truth of the assumptions and rules would involve making another argument with more assumptions that would have to be proved. So arguments are useless for proving any statement, including the statement that an idea is false.

But it is still possible to learn about how the world works. If we assume some universal law is true and try to check its consequences and we find a clash between the results of the check and the consequences of the law then there is a problem somewhere in the set of ideas involved in the check. One possibility is that the law is wrong. Another possibility is that the check is flawed in some way. We might also have made a mistake about the consequences of the law. To solve this problem we come up with explanations of the clash and try to test the explanations until we find one that solve the original problem and has no other known problems.

For more explanations of these ideas, see the material here:

http://fallibleideas.com/books#popper

Some commenters on this answer seem to think that disproof is both possible and required for science. They are wrong on both counts. First, you can't prove an observational statement, as Popper noted in "Logic of Scientific Discovery" Section 25:

Every description uses universal names (or symbols, or ideas); every statement has the character of a theory, of a hypothesis. The statement, ‘Here is a glass of water’ cannot be verified by any observational experience. The reason is that the universals which appear in it cannot be correlated with any specific sense-experience. (An ‘immediate experience’ is only once ‘immediately given’; it is unique.) By the word ‘glass’, for example, we denote physical bodies which exhibit a certain law-like behaviour, and the same holds for the word ‘water’. Universals cannot be reduced to classes of experiences; they cannot be ‘constituted’.

See also "The Beginning of Infinity" by David Deutsch chapter 2. Since no observational statement can be proved, and such proof would be required to disprove a theory, theories can't be disproved.

Disproof is also not required. Rather, you have a conjectured physical law and a conjectured observation that are judged to be incompatible. This constitutes a problem independent of whether the observation or the alleged incompatibility are correct. And if you want to understand the world you have to resolve the incompatibility, perhaps by rejecting a conjectured law, or, sometimes, by rejecting a conjectured observation.

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    Surely if one finds a single exception then the law is proven to not be universal. Isn't that the entire purpose of falsifiability in science? – Corey Nov 12 at 23:03
  • @Corey, yes, that proves it not to be universal. But it doesn't mean the original statement of the law should be thrown out, either. For instance, if a prehistoric man noticed some funny rocks (magnets) would attract other rocks (iron ore), he might tell his friend, "This rock makes other rocks stick!" But that would be easily falsifiable, and then he gets branded a loon. Not very useful. The observed effect (attraction) was real; further experiments are necessary to determine the actual limits of the effect. Determining those limits is done by further application of the scientific method. – Wildcard Nov 13 at 1:27
  • (Disclaimer: I haven't read Popper, and I have no idea if what I'm saying above is the same as what he would say.) – Wildcard Nov 13 at 1:28
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    While this does an admirable job at showing that you can't prove an assertion, it doesn't (validly, IMO) say that you can't disprove it. – RonJohn Nov 13 at 2:41
  • Your answer says "In reality, proof and disproof are both impossible," which appears to be contrary to what the scientific method is all about. Falsifiability is the requirement that a hypothesis be capable of being disproved. A (supposed) universal law can be falsified - disproved - by showing one circumstance in which it does not hold. I agree with much of your answer, but it seems that disproof is not only possible but is in fact required to make the scientific method work. – Corey Nov 13 at 4:32

We can't "make sure that the particular law will hold true at all places of the universe", and it is not possible to do so without deity-like omniscience.

Proof belongs to the domain of logic and mathematics, where there can be no question of the accuracy of a given abstraction, because the subjects are the manipulation of abstractions.

But the example of a universal law you give belongs to science, which deals only in evidence, and probabilities. Consider the Problem Of Induction, which can only be answered by something like Bayesian statistics, likelihood based on experience.

It is generally poorly understood that the idea of a law, only proceeds from analogy with legal systems, and that is a bad analogy. We make abstractions of the world, often as much for tractability as accuracy, and then compare outputs to the world - but the world always has the final say. See Nancy Cartwright's How The Laws of Physics Lie for more on this.

So you might reasonably ask, what is the most universal? How universal a principle or model or framework can we get? Not easy to answer, because even just within physics there are many modes and methodologies, and comparing them for universality is more opinion than science. Candidates might be Noether's Theorem, which links symmetries in dimensions to conservation laws. Einstein said he felt thermodynamics to be more fundamental than quantum mechanics or relativity, and developments in entropic gravity seem like they are supporting that, as well as linking to Wheeler's 'It From Bit' doctrine of the fundamental reality only of information.

But just like Newton's Laws break down at high speeds and small scales, QM & relativity break down at black holes - even our most universal explanations find gaps & exceptions where they break down. What happened before the big bang if the dimension of time only came into existence then?

There are theories that the speed of light might have varied across time, or other fundamental constants might vary across space. The universe is full of uncertainties, not universalities..!

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    This is a good answer, and +1, but it could be improved even more by being passed through a spellchecker (and also another manual proof, e.g. the spellchecker isn’t going to catch “*cane into” -> “came into”). – Dan Bron Nov 12 at 14:22
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    "We can't disprove or prove universal laws, and it is not possible to do so without deity-like omniscience." Utter rubbish. The whole notion of falsifiability means that physical laws are disprovable. – RonJohn Nov 13 at 2:35

The short answer is that we cannot be 100% certain for all cases. We can be more certain for the "frames" where we can do experiments, but the further off we go from actual experiments it gets less and less certain. We know for certain that Newtons laws are false by doing experiments proving them false.

Generally, it is much easier to find one example proving that a theory is wrong than showing that there is not any example (remember, abscense of proof is not proof of abscense)

Today scientists do not call their theories for laws for a good reason. The simple experience is that sooner or later there will be some circumstance that proves the law false (well, as far as we currently guess this probably goes for all our physics theories). Any theory we have, including Newtons so called laws, can only be shown to be valid in a certain "frame" surrounding it. Outside that frame it might be correct, or not. The frame in physics is most often considered as doing experiments. (Theories that cannot be proved either wrong or right are generally frowned upon).

Several of Newtons laws were proved wrong in the case of relativity (Einstein). Law one gets invalidated in a frame known as quantuum mechanics (which is very strange animal if you ask me but experiments shows that it is a better explanation than Newtons laws for small things).

So can we really be sure that things are the same everywhere and all the time. Scientist do spend lifetimes trying to answer that question. Basically the jury is not out yet: has the constants of cosmology changed over time (except from during big bang, the answer currently seems to be no). Speed of light, the fine constant and so on, currently seems to not have changed over time, and probably not over distance either. But we cannot really be 100% certain right now. Probably never, so don´t expect any new laws. But then who knows?

  • If you have references to the writings of others who take this view it would give the reader a place to go for more information and strengthen your answer. Welcome to this SE! – Frank Hubeny Nov 13 at 0:03
  • So, do you think that there shouldn't exist any thing as a universal law? – Aayush Aggarwal Nov 13 at 12:43
  • @AayushAggarwal: Hmm. I wonder what you mean by the word law? In the case of Newtons so called laws, we would call them theories today. It might be that Newton thought he had discovered Gods design and called it a law. Today, a physicist has to be a lot more humble in approach. After a hypothesis has been shown to be more or less correct (at least not proven incorrekt) he might call it a theory. Or perhaps call it "the standard model" (you may google that). There seems to be no God, and there seems to be no end in sight for the final theory ending all searches and unifying everything. – ghellquist Nov 13 at 19:28

Yeah, you just make an observation where the law is being broken, and then the situation in which you made the observations is recreated and scrutinized to make sure what you observed was correct. Then you get a special case where the law doesn't hold true. Descriptive laws aren't logical axioms, they're empirical observations.

The process is pretty straight forward. Also, we haven't observed the entire universe and we haven't fully analyzed what we can observe. The laws holding true 100% of the time is purely theoretical. For all we know black holes and dark matter actually just break the first law of motion. I don't think there's any evidence of that, but it could be the case. It's nothing to be worried about. What we have now is good enough for our predictive models and not easily disproved.

Of course they can be disproved. That is why they are called theoretical. Or perhaps I should not say disproved but rather appended. You use the first law of motion as an example, and that example is logical, but there must be some other way to calculate motion and it’s effects. But so far no one has exhausted themselves to look beyond what is offered as law. Here is a fundamental deficiency in intellect, that we accept to know what is told to us more than we desire to find the answers for ourselves. Leibniz stated in some form, ‘that if you are to solve a problem you must learn from the bottom up and understand each concept yourself no matter how basic’. If one puts their philosophical mind to use beyond the parameters defined for them, one can see a world of possibilities. Is that not what philosophy really is?

  • Would you have a source for the Leibniz quote? It would provide a reader a place to go for more information. Also, any other relevant and specific reference you may have would strengthen your answer and help the reader. Welcome to this SE! – Frank Hubeny Nov 13 at 15:50
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    “I probed all the way to the depths of each subject ,and arrived at its very principles, from which everything I extracted could be discovered by my own efforts” - preface to Universal Characteristics/ Leibniz philosophical essays. Also, “the real reason why people have missed the doorway is (to discovery) the principles are dry and insufficiently agreeable to people, and so, barely tasted they are dismissed”. – Robus Nov 13 at 17:27
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    Found the one I was looking for. “To use a synthesis which has been established by others, and theorems which have already been discovered, is less of an art than to do everything by ones self by carrying out an analysis” - Leibniz/ of universal discovery and analysis/philosophical essays. Thanks! – Robus Nov 13 at 19:57

Please note Newton's first law of motion.

"Newton's first law states that every object will remain at rest or in uniform motion in a straight line unless compelled to change its state by the action of an external force."

I don't know whether there is any other version to this law.

A living object is also an object. If so, which is the force that moves and stops a living object? Is it purely external?

What all forces stop an egg that is rolling on the floor? I think the internal force also has its influence in stopping the egg. You may argue that an egg is an amassed form of different substances...or the jelly-like-fluid that exerts friction is also attracted by the earth. So you may say that force also is external. But we cannot ignore the fact that the jelly-like-fluid (both egg yolk and egg white) also attracts the earth. Then the force that stops a rolling egg must be internal and external. Similarly you may imagine a jelly-like-ball (a homogeneous substance) that rolls on the floor. What all forces stop its rolling?

What I am trying to say is that the last term ('eternal force') in the law would need to be rectified if scientists discovered that the characteristics of force within the tiniest particles...I mean, if particles are also jelly-like.

Actually I have no reference to put forward. This is just a possibility in this material world..."If scientists discover so, a rectification would be needed in the law."

We need not go outer space to disprove some Universal Laws because the laws that are known as Universal laws are not created after they realized the Universe.

When science realizes the meaninglessness of internal and external, the aforesaid law will be disproved. In course of time Science will disprove it theoretically. And when someone realizes it he will understand that it was not just a theory.

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For details: http://www.fusw.org/uploads/1/3/0/4/13041662/corners_of_truth_~_hinduism.pdf

  • No references, and not clear what you are saying. – CriglCragl Nov 12 at 23:37
  • @CriglCragl, Thank you. It was a little confusing. I have edited it. – SonOfThought Nov 13 at 3:01
  • The thing you refer as 'internal force' is I think external force itself. External force means the sole force the egg (in this case) exerts. But the attraction of the earth by the egg is a result of an external force known as Gravitational Force. Is my thinking right? – Aayush Aggarwal Nov 13 at 12:37
  • @ Aayush Aggarwal, I was talking about the Gravitational force. Though in reality internal and external are absurd, here in this case, we should treat it as internal. The egg is the thing not the egg-shell. So the force must be internal. Which is the center of gravitational force?...in the case of egg? Is it within or without? – SonOfThought Nov 13 at 14:09
  • If you check out General Relativy (one of Einstein's theories) you will find that gravity is not a force. GR describes it as a distorsion of time-space. And there are empirical evidence showing that GR very accurately describes the world we live in. Including that there is no universal time. – ghellquist Nov 13 at 19:33

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