Can we move from the thought of God to a proof that there is a God ?

1 If God is possible or actual then he is contingent or necessary .

2 God is possible or actual .

3 God is contingent or necessary .

4 God is not contingent .

5 God is necessary .

6 If God is necessary then he is actual .

C God is actual .

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    What is the difference with your previous post ? Apr 29, 2020 at 13:34
  • The difference is that God is both possible and actual .
    – user46415
    Apr 29, 2020 at 13:36
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    For the "argument" 5-6-C is enough: it is a "theorem" of modal logic that is something is necessary, then it is actual. Apr 29, 2020 at 13:37
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    Bot a "valid" argument proves the conclusion only if its premises are true: on what ground we can assert that God is necessary ? Apr 29, 2020 at 13:37
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    There is no way to deduce the existence of an object from the meaning of a term "naming" that object. Apr 29, 2020 at 14:45

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Yes absolutely, it's just that many atheists are confused with what the term "G-d" means, they would attribute it to some kind of object or property that we can observe in the world, and therefore have questions and assumptions that would contradict many points made here.

But yes if G-d is defined as that which caused all else to come into existence, then all that would need to be proven is that everything must have a first cause.

In order to prove that, it would be necessary to explain how everything works by way of cause and effect, but if it were to have always worked that way, then there would be no end.

In other words it would need to be shown that the universe is finite, to the extent that it must have a beginning, or an "original cause", and once that has been established, then our definition of "G-d" is reached.

The only problem is atheists making assumptions, based on other contexts, to think "g-d" is some kind of finite existence or even "person" [chas veshalom], so the first step is to remove all previous assumptions and only deal with the information given in the current context, then we can move on to the actual logical proofs.

  • - "... the proof that there's a God?" - "Yes, absolutely."
    – RodolfoAP
    May 18, 2020 at 6:25
  • @Robert are you trying to make some kind of counter argument Nov 29, 2020 at 16:32

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