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What does it mean to be an eliminativist with regards to the propositional attitudes? Philosophers that call themselves eliminative materialists like Churchland and Dennett to some extent have proposed that our brains function without possessing intentionality or aboutness.

According to Rosenberg at least, there is no way you can marry both intentionality and a materialist theory of mind. In fact, Rosenberg states in his book "The Atheist's Guide to Reality" that our brains function without thinking about anything at all.

Firstly, what is so mysterious about "aboutness" that it is so difficult to integrate with a materialist view of the mind/brain problem? It does not seem particularly mysterious to me that my brain is able to carry information "about stuff" one way or another. Neither is it mysterious to me that I can sit next to Norma Jean and not realize that I'm also sitting next to Marilyn Monroe.

Secondly, if we say we eliminate "aboutness", then what are we actually saying? Obviously our brains DO carry information related to external stuff (otherwise how could I recall and write down the lyrics of "Smells Like Teen Spirit" without consulting the internet?) - does he mean that the way I think about this information, and the way it actually is stored in my brain, is vastly different and non-reducible?

  • Rosenberg states in his book "The Atheist's Guide to Reality" that our brains functions without thinking about anything at all - if he is right, he has written his book without thinking about it. That's marvellous. – Ingo Jan 27 '14 at 16:57
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A good couple of questions! I can't claim to represent Rosenberg's position, but I can attempt to give a line that seems charitable to some of his aims.

So "aboutness" in a propositional content sense is to say something like "thought has a structure that exhibits patterns of meaning in very close synchronisation with those of natural language". We might say of an agent that they think that the sky is blue, or that they believe that the world is round. Whenever we attribute propositional content to an agent's attitudes like this, we seem to impose a kind of model of how they see the world as filtered through an object-predicate logical structuring. This seems to be a good first-attempt way to account for a lot of our intuitive sense of why people do what they do, often because it seems like a good way to account for our own internal sense of what it is to put the world into understanding and logical structure.

To see the human being as a rational creature in this sense is to make a very particular claim about why we make the choices and decisions that we do - we appeal to an internal logically structured model and say that thereby does action arise. But in the shift from folk psychology to cognitive science, we are increasingly seeing evidence to the effect that actually things are much more nuanced than that; far from the grammatical structure of treating all things as simple logical tokens, we exhibit multiple Biases and Heuristics in our cognitive behavioural patterns. The things in the world we encounter have a profound importance to the cognitive resources we use to process them prior to conscious interpretation, so there doesn't seem to be one unequivocal notion of what it is for something to have psychological significance.

Now that's not to say that human brains, cognitive structures, behaviour patterns and what have you somehow "discard meanings", that meanings are there but are filtered out in the process of human experience. It's important to recognise, rather, that what this says about the limitations of a singular "one size fits all" model of neural information processing is that the general notion of "meaning" is in doubt as a tool for investigating human action. It's not implicit in the simple state of affairs of being confronted by Norma Jean that one should think that what is happening is you're comparing your visual data with a list of attributes or a generalized notion of pattern matching that corresponds to a psychological picture that we connect to the cultural figure of Marilyn Monroe. One person may draw this connection purely prereflectively as a mental shortcut, another may not at all, depending on how they have learned to make the relevant perceptions associate the one with the other. So the notion of meaning becomes more fine-grained, more sensitive to the learned experiences of the various agents being theorised about.

For Rosenberg, then, this is very much the sort of thing we might expect to happen as we delve deeper into a physicalist foundation for broader scientific epistemology. We might suggest that "meaningfulness" as an essential component of intentional action carries a more nuanced and possibly contextually sensitive logical structure than previously thought, but as our theory of what exactly human animals and brains actually act like develops and improves under careful, physically grounded investigation, the role that "meaning" serves in our most effective theories of peoples' behaviour (or indeed of what behaviour I might want to express to best bring about some desirable (?) outcome) gradually diminishes to nothing in favour of a nuanced account of the physical cognitive machinery you do in your thinking processes.

So Yes, of course you still process information in a common sense way. What Rosenberg might have to say is that your account of what you think "processing information" amounts to might be very different from what an effective physicalist theory of the actual mechanical implementation of these abstract information systems is. What happens in your brain is that your sensory data are passed through various biochemical systems shaped through adaptation and previous use to draw connections between what is observed and responses to stimulation, such as to bring about certain physiological effects in, say, the speech patterns you subsequently form. Meaning just doesn't have a role to play at this level of causal explanation.

Now the objection to Rosenberg that this line raises is "well, okay, fine and good, but is our best cognitive model of how people behave actually completely physicalistic anyway?" I think a lot of the functionalist work in cognitive sciences makes things a bit more abstract than a purely chemical account of brain action would facilitate; it's not so much the idea that there is some state as much as trying to find abstract functional descriptions of how these different brain states are tied to emergent behaviours on the human animal scale, which are what really interest us. Trying to tie the one to the other doesn't necessarily have to be a reductionist project to be valuable. Also, AI, for instance, would seem to be importantly linked to the elaboration of cognitive processing strategies and mechanisms, and it would seem that it and psychology might be usefully informative to one another in terms of comparing and inspiring new modelling techniques for the processing, retaining and using of information.

But then again, perhaps there a mechanistic explanation might ultimately prevail in terms of what such an explanation might empower us to do. It seems like an open possibility that Rosenberg's perspective might work out, but ultimately I'm not convinced it's the philosopher's position to insist on a physicalist explaining away of representational content in the methodology of cognitive science.

There're some valuable general thoughts in the SEP article on Intentionality about how much of our general ideas about information seem to be involved in distinctly mental content over and above the physical; it's worth a read, if you get the chance!

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    Wow, thanks for taking the time to write this beautiful response. This is by far the clearest explanation of this issue that I have encountered. I do wonder if Rosenberg created unnecessary confusion (and ridicule, as can be seen by the predictable comment on my question) with the way he chose to communicate it in his book, but then again, if not for the controversial nature of his statement, I may not have spend so much time trying to understand the issue. Cheers! – firtydank Jan 28 '14 at 8:03
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    +1 Informative and clearly written. I would differ on the point that meaning is the main issue wrt intentionality/eliminativism, but it works very well in your explanation. Thumbs up! – DBK Jan 29 '14 at 13:44
  • @DBK Oh, sure! I was more trying to address the whole "aboutness" line, and mental contents are roughly supposed to be the same things as meanings in that respect, but there is definitely more to intentionality than the notion of intentional content. – Paul Ross Jan 29 '14 at 17:39

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