Can someone explain to me why Nietzsche is an important philosopher? To be honest, I am interested in analytic philosophy and I want to to how much valuable the Nietzsche's ideas are from analytical point of view? It seems to me that Nietzsche is more similar to psychology than philosophy if we ignore his ideas about ethic.
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1Carnap, for example, praised Nietzsche's "historical analyses of specific artistic phenomena, or an historical-psychological analysis of morals" in Elimination of Metaphysics, and Nietzsche's influence on analytic ethics has been considerable, see Robertson-Owen. His aesthetics and affinities to Wittgenstein are also explored. Danto's Nietzsche as Philosopher is a systematic analytic study.– ConifoldJun 9 at 22:22
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1To be fair, not many philosophers would be left standing "if we ignore [what they are mostly notable for]"– armandJun 13 at 9:09
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May I speak for all philosophers (professional + amateurs)? If I may then Nietzsche is like any other philosopher. Why? That, mon ami, is the right question.– Agent SmithJun 13 at 13:05
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Why is Nietzsche an important philosopher?
A difficult question because of the prior one of framing: Who is Nietzsche? Is he a philosopher at all?
Witness some of his most well known sayings
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There are various eyes. Even the Sphinx has eyes: and as a result there are various truths, and as a result there is no truth.
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I say unto you: one must still have chaos in oneself to be able to give birth to a dancing star. I say unto you: you still have chaos in yourselves.
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Where is the lightning to lick you with its tongue. Where is the frenzy with which you should be inoculated. Behold. I give you the Ubermensch. He is this lightning. He is this frenzy.
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He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby becomes a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.
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There are no facts, only interpretations.
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One cannot refute Christianity; one cannot refute a disease of the eye.
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The very word "Christianity" is a misunderstanding—at bottom there was only one Christian, and he died on the cross. The "Gospels" (good tidings) died on the cross. What, from that moment onward, was called the "Gospels" was the very reverse of what he had lived: "bad tidings," a Dysangelium
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God is dead
Do they sound like things a sane person would say? You need to decide...
If you're brought up in the analytic tradition, especially its narrower version you would write these and such off as a madman more than as a philosopher.
But if you are more 'normal' and by normal I mean one whose sensibilities are not deadened by modern education and lifestyle these and such statements would evoke a slight shiver in the spine — Dunno what hes saying... But it seems significant... And frightening!!
So no as a framing problem calling Nietzsche philosopher completely misses the point
Poet may be a bit more accurate. In fact it is accurate in the more mundane sense as well: Nietzsche didn't start as a philosopher but as an admirer of the musician Wagner. And his break with Wagner is very much a part of his growing up not merely into adulthood but to an extent transcending the human sphere altogether.
On the net you'll find opinions like this
Nietzsche evaluates Wagner's philosophy on tonality, music and art; he admires Wagner's power to emote and express himself, but largely disdains what the philosopher deems his religious biases. It is easy to suspect that Nietzsche's views must be motivated by a personal quarrel with Wagner.
I believe this imposes the small-minded view of the author onto Nietzsche
Nietzsche's problem with Wagner was far deeper than a personal feud. He saw with a musician-poet's feeling that Wagner was enormously powerful, that he would have an enormous impact on German society.
And that it would not be a good influence — Wagner became for Nietzsche the symbol and archetype of a decadent Germany and thence Europe. So a mysterious half century before the Nazis he saw who their court musician would be.
Here we reach a viewpoint of Nietzsche that moderns simply have no framing or category for — the old testament prophet.
Those nuts were supposed to have disappeared 3000 years ago (if at all they existed). How could one appear in super ultra genteel Europe?
Yet that is the most accurate view of Nietzsche — unpleasant to look at (and likely to smell) but terrifying in the accuracy of his darkest prophesies
If you take his most quoted and misunderstood statement "God is dead" which 90% of stupid modern philosophers take as celebratory and proves that Nietzsche was a atheist but rather hear it through the powerful reading of Jordan Peterson, you'll see the terrifying accuracy of his prophesying. He is saying Beware! If you kill God the Nazis will come! Or rather Jordan Peterson is saying that Nietzsche is prophesying that 50 years before the Nazis but its clearly plausible enough
The other current thinker — more historian than philosopher — who has a right appreciation of Nietzsche in our current times is Tom Holland. His magnum opus Dominion is basically a tour de force showing that modern western civilization is essentially a Christian one and the more we pretend to be secular/liberal/democratic and all the other modern good stuff, the more inexorably Christian we become and remain. And Nietzsche is an important needle that weaves that story.
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I wonder what the cure is to having an essentially Christian civilization? I'll look for the book. Jun 9 at 17:26
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3The meaning of "God is dead" is not "if you kill God the Nazis will come." JP is extremely untrustworthy. First of all "God is dead" is saying God is already dead, so there is no question of killing him later; there's no "if." What it means is that philosophy has already destroyed God, i.e. removed the rational support for belief in God, and Nietzsche says we must become Gods ourselves (overmen, unconcerned with morality of the past) to replace the void this leaves in our lives. Nietzsche views the Overman with approval - it's not a warning about the Nazis. Jun 9 at 17:46
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1@causative Yeah its fashionable to calumniate JBP. But he's not relevant to this argument. If you listen to his clip from 30 seconds or so on its straight quoting Nietzsche (Gay Science). Hear the full quote and see if your interpretation or mine fits better. In any case you can elide JBP completely and get the same from the Holland short clip just as effectively– RushiJun 9 at 17:52
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@Rusi Yes, well, the quote from your video is Nietszche talking about the problems with having killed God and what we have to do next. Nietzsche is not saying "God could still be alive if we still believe!" No, he's saying God is dead, and he'll stay dead, and he thinks now we must deal with the consequences (by becoming Overmen). Jun 9 at 17:55
Nietzsche is one of the most controversial geniuses of all time, and many consider him one of the smartest humans ever. Freud said that no one understand human psychology as deeply as he did, and no one had such depth of introspection. Heidegger said that Nietzsche was the highest point of metaphysics in the Western philosophical canon. Oswald Spengler considered Nietzsche to be the greatest philosopher ever, and in agreement with Spengler I would say that Nietzsche's historical writings are what make him important and great. "Genealogy of Morals" and "Birth of Tragedy" are his 2 greatest texts. In those books Nietzsche is onto some revolutionary stuff. He discovered some mechanisms due to which civilizations flourish and die. His discovery of the Apollonian - Dionysian dynamic in Ancient Greece is not just important for ancient Greek scholarship, it is a set of tools that can be used to analyze all civilizations. Nietzsche was actually one of the greatest historians of all time, just as great as Gibbon, Mommsen or Braudel.
On a sidenote, a fascinating and controversial contemporary Russian philosopher Alexander Dugin continued in Nietzsche's footsteps and discovered a new philosophical logos, the logos of Cybele (in addition to the Nietzschean Appolo - Dionysis).
Others (mostly in the analytic philosophy camp) think he is overrated and wrong about everything. Bertrand Russell thought that every single one of Nietzsche's theories is 100% wrong, and he also thought that Nietzsche was not a philosopher but a poet / writer whose only value was in the beauty of his prose.
I sort of agree to some extent with Russell, and I find reading Nietzsche hard because his writing style is extremely annoying. Everyone praises "Zarathustra", but I was barely able to finish it because it was just obnoxiously annoying. Phrases like "infinity, I want to marry you for I am in love with thee", "above all I love that which is written with blood, write with blood and you will know that blood is spirit", "let your hope be to give birth to the overman", "love and death are infinite, to want love is to want death, thus i tell you , you small spirited men..." , etc etc, are annoying af.
For as long as humankind exists, there will always be arguments about Friedrich Nietzsche. He is a thinker of immense complexity and great depth. Together with Plato, Schopenhauer and Rousseau he was one of the greatest writers, and he will provoke, annoy, fascinate, inspire, and enlighten you.
The most important thing is that you read him and make your own conclusions and don't listen anyone else's opinions (including my own).
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"Nietzsche was actually one of the greatest historians of all time, just as great as Gibbon, Mommsen or Braudel" I'm a Nietzsche fan, but that's a bonkers claim. Jun 13 at 11:39
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1@DennisKozevnikoff, Thank you so much for your explanations, I agree that Nietzsche is a great thinker for continental philosophers, but I was more interested in his impact on analytic philosophers.– ArianJun 13 at 12:22
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1Jesus understood human nature better than Nietzche or Freud. Nietzche was unconsciously enmeshed in infantile associations that Freud maps to early life development of the ego ideal. Jesus understands ego ideal better than Freud! Samson, strong man of Israel, smites the wicked with a jawbone of an ass. Jesus on the cross and says, "Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do." Jesus transcends the inanity of humanity. Nietzche's ego ideal rejects Christianity as "slave morality" and celebrates ideal "master morality". Jesus tried to transform the ego ideal of sadistic master morality. Jun 13 at 14:34
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1@SystemTheory Nietzsche does not call master morality ideal, only that it's superior to slave morality.– rus9384Jun 14 at 6:35
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1In men's peer counselling (intersubjective self-psychology) I had a friend and mentor who became an enemy. This friend had a mother who was "Christian in name only". She was so hostile and demanding that he complained of rage and contempt issues well into his eighties. He died in 2018. He once remarked, "I want to cheer with the crowd of Romans (Masters) while the Christians (Slaves) are put to death!" He told me he wanted to see his (Christian) mother dead which is why he went to her funeral. I thought superior mother/Roman abuses inferior son/Christian and the son identifies with "Romans". Jun 14 at 13:53