*Comment* *Valid* means true in **all** cases. Thus, the schema : >Some A are B >Some B are C >>Therefore : Some A are C is **not** valid exactly for the reason you have stated : >it becomes **true** [not valid] if at least one element lies in A ∩ B ∩ C. Correct..., but if this is not, the argument does not conclude, and this means that the argument form is not valid. ___ This distinction between *true* and *valid* is ate the core of Hrley's explanation of **Rule 4**. Consider the *invalid* : >All crows are birds >Some wolves are not crows >>Therefore : Some wolves are birds. This is a counter-example to the "purported" rule : >it is possible to conclude in the negative when both premises are affirmative. This means that, from the fact : if a schema has all premises affirmative and conclusion negative, then it is **not** valid, by contraposition we have : >if a schema is valid, then not-(all premises affirmative and conclusion negative) i.e. either some premise is negative or the conclusion is affirmative.