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Is the Skeptic's Prayer a legitimate scientific experiment?

This must be one of the grossest attempts at manipulating one's readership I have ever seen. The proposed "experiment" can never fail because the authors carefully planted 3 escape routes ...
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Is Christianity testable?

Is John Lennox's defense of the testability of Christianity sound? No. It's true that Christianity as a religion contains some testable claims, but the implication – that therefore Christianity is ...
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Is Christianity testable?

TL;DR Testable claims are testable, untestable claims are not testable, and it's easy to confuse the two when they appear to be one package. People who study comparative religion tend to distinguish ...
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Is Christianity testable?

We have to start from the neutral observation that while Lennox is deliberately using scientific terminology, and explicitly placing it in a scientific context, he is NOT using the term in the same ...
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Is the Skeptic's Prayer a legitimate scientific experiment?

It is a test of whether you can be talked into religious belief. In that respect it is rather a pointless test, since billions of people all over the world are ample proof that it is possible to be ...
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On the claim that science is an offspring of Christian thought?

First, concerning “the belief in a rational and orderly universe” one can just quote wikipedia: The philosopher Pythagoras used the term kosmos (Ancient Greek: κόσμος, Latinized kósmos) for the order ...
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On the claim that science is an offspring of Christian thought?

Even if the premise that Christianity provided the right environment for science to be born were true, it does not follow that it is necessary for it. That Christian countries developed science, were ...
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Is Christianity testable?

Not really. Firstly you need to be clear what you mean by testing Christianity. It's a bit like testing a person- there are hundreds of different attributes, some of which are testable and some are ...
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Is Christianity testable?

Well, he's playing with polysemy, but what he really says is that it's testable in the sense of someone adopting it may have beneficial results. Of course there's the issue what the control group is ...
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On the claim that science is an offspring of Christian thought?

Maybe my first installment was a bit rushed so let me try and improve it a little. The claim that science originates from Christian thought is vastly overblown. First because it ignores the scientific ...
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Is the Skeptic's Prayer a legitimate scientific experiment?

No, it is not a scientific experiment, because there is no objective way to determine the outcome. First, by refusing to set a time limit, the proposal protects itself against falsification; the "...
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Atheists who follow the teachings of Jesus

Being a cultural but not religious/theological adherent is far more common in Judaism, & increasingly Islam. There are reasons for that, not least that apostasy in Christian countries has not been ...
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Is Christianity testable?

Firstly no, because he is cherry-picking evidence In order for his claim to be valid, he would have to track the number of people went into a church and felt nothing. He would also have to track the ...
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Is Christianity testable?

From the short video by John Lennox I understand that he proclaims Christianity to be an evidence based religion. He repeats two basic statements of Christianity: Jesus is the son of God, Jesus is ...
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Is Christianity testable?

Allow me to be uncomfortably philosophical for a moment. This question — and in fact this entire (oh so irritating) dispute — rests on a fundamental misunderstanding. Most everyone holds the naïve ...
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Is the Skeptic's Prayer a legitimate scientific experiment?

All practical arts use experiments to see what works, and lots of science does not do experiments, so despite what they say in high school classes about science, experiments aren't really what makes a ...
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Is the Skeptic's Prayer a legitimate scientific experiment?

I agree with what others have said about falsifiability and questioning what this would actually prove. Another consideration is that a sample size of 1 tends to be an indication that you're not doing ...
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On the claim that science is an offspring of Christian thought?

I would argue the core structures of science, the discoursive method of mutual pursuit of truth, academia and the idea of a universal education, were all from the Ancient Greeks. Christianity involved ...
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Is Christianity testable?

So, the view that things can be tested and evidence (SEP) can be considered is evidentialism. But just what constitutes evidence can be given a very wide berth. For instance, an astrologer claims to ...
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Is Christianity testable?

There are certainly formerly unhappy Christians who broke away from their religion and were happy ever after. They just don't tend to stand up in Lennox's lectures, so he isn't aware of them. I'm all ...
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Is Christianity testable?

It's not the job of philosophers or scientists to check whether Christianity or any other religion is testable; it is the job of Christians to provide a test which is strict according to whatever set ...
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Is the Skeptic's Prayer a legitimate scientific experiment?

The short answer is no, it is not an experiment, and no, it is not science. However, the longer answer is that it is closer to science than many here might realize. Science operates in different modes,...
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Is the Skeptic's Prayer a legitimate scientific experiment?

No it is not scientific at all, for a lot of reasons. Most obviously, there is no measurable outcome being claimed. God will answer, you say? In what way? At what time? Without some bounds to the ...
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Decades ago Dr. Eugene Scott said, "God's knowledge is a function of his power. He can know whatever he wants to know." Is this coherent?

Although the knowledge-power-goodness characterization of God is often given directly, the deeper one goes in the history of theology, the more one finds attempts to collapse those three either to one ...
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On the claim that science is an offspring of Christian thought?

"Science" in a historical context has a pretty specific meaning. Ancient people who theorized about the movement of planets or mixing metals together weren't doing science as we know it. ...
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On the claim that science is an offspring of Christian thought?

I don't know how you could prove such a claim. It is certainly the case that there are examples of the spirit of scientific enquiry that pre-date christianity. Let us also not overlook examples of ...
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Is the Skeptic's Prayer a legitimate scientific experiment?

On the face of it, the obvious answer is "no." Religious questions are not scientifically decidable--if they were, we'd live in a very different world. However, I think there's some ...
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Is the Skeptic's Prayer a legitimate scientific experiment?

Such a prayer constitutes a scientifically fair test No, it does not. A proper scientific test establishes beforehand what specific outcome of the experiment is expected or a success, and even more ...
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If Plato openly wrote his books about politics, did he not believe in the proposed Noble Lie policy?

I noticed that you mentioned parables in this context — and I don’t think a parable (a.k.a. allegory, a.k.a. metaphor) is meant to deceive. Rather, it’s the opposite — its purpose is to help the ...
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Is Christianity testable?

Lennox claims "Christianity is true, and this is testable". Lennox then cites a test evidence case of "a person asserts that they adopted a Christian belief, and asserts that their ...
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