Timeline for Is the notion that queer identities and sexuality are innate incompatible with the view that genders are socially molded?
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| Jun 19 at 21:47 | history | edited | Nikos M. | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| May 3 at 23:05 | comment | added | Nikos M. | @aschepler one would expect a direct effect to be clearly observed not through areas of other traits, either completely or partly so. So the more likely way to interpret it is as stated in the answer | |
| May 3 at 22:45 | comment | added | aschepler | I didn't mention that hypothesis. Anyway, I'm just suggesting rather than "genetics play a lesser role which ... is indirect", "genetics play a lesser role, which may be partly an indirect result via influences on other personality tendencies". Characterizing all the effects as indirect is not certain. Where there is correlation, causation makes sense but is not necessarily so. | |
| May 3 at 22:27 | comment | added | Nikos M. | @aschepler the study is clear as to maximum how much of sexuality can be explained by genetics and in what sense. Your hypothesis of undiscovered DNA areas to be related to sexuality in the future is ruled out. My previous comment answers the rest. | |
| May 3 at 21:40 | comment | added | aschepler | Sure. I just think you stated that part more like a clear conclusion than an interpretation. It doesn't seem to me like the paper's authors meant to say the means of genetic influence is entirely indirect, just that the indirect means seem to be a piece of it. | |
| May 3 at 12:35 | comment | added | Scott Rowe | @aschepler A lot of things seem to be 'possible', but that doesn't tell us anything. | |
| May 3 at 12:08 | comment | added | aschepler | That conclusion is supported by the correlation, but conjecture. It's possible the gene locales not found to correlate are correlated with some other unknown causal behavior. Or it's possible some genes influence sexuality more directly without other significant traits. | |
| May 3 at 11:59 | comment | added | Nikos M. | @aschepler these areas found to correlate up to some amount have been linked with other characteristics or traits with higher frequency, so the correlation of these areas to sexuality is more indirect, than with these other characteristics. This is what meant. | |
| May 3 at 11:53 | comment | added | aschepler | The paper says "These aggregate genetic influences [on same-sex behavior] partly overlapped with those on a variety of other traits, including externalizing behaviors such as..." I think the "partly" means it's not right to conclude "no gene(s) related to sexuality per se". Plus for the genes that do influence both, we don't really know if it's that the externalizing behavior influences the sexuality or the gene more directly influences both. Still the main takeaway is that the genetics in total had only an 8 to 25 percent correlation and are not enough to predict behavior. | |
| May 3 at 10:50 | history | edited | Nikos M. | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| May 3 at 0:54 | comment | added | Nikos M. | @aschepler if I am not mistaken this is how it is mentioned in the original paper of the study. In any case the meaning is that there is no gene or genes about sexuality directly. | |
| May 2 at 22:36 | comment | added | aschepler | The article of your first link says that genetic effects on sexual orientation and genetic effects on risk-taking are similarly complex just as a comparison, not that they're related to each other. | |
| May 2 at 21:41 | comment | added | Scott Rowe | News Flash! Scientists say, "Sex is complicated" | |
| May 2 at 18:42 | comment | added | Nikos M. | Identical twin sexuality studies suffer from various problems, ie 1) very few test subjects, 2) failure to account for environmental influences on sexuality similarities, etc. Stll even with these problems ratio was under 50% match, so in a sense yes you have a point.i | |
| May 2 at 18:40 | comment | added | ac15 | the existence of identical twins with differing sexualities or gender identities is sufficient to establish this, right? | |
| May 2 at 18:37 | history | answered | Nikos M. | CC BY-SA 4.0 |