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| Aug 29 at 18:03 | history | edited | Julius Hamilton | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Mar 23, 2021 at 17:00 | comment | added | Some Guy | Any religious book with religious followers is a book that rational people believe was written by god | |
| Apr 23, 2018 at 14:49 | comment | added | user20253 | I would say yes, there is a way. But there are 30 answers already and it's too much to read before answering fully, while my answer would require a long essay. If our idea of God is of an objective being then there would be no way, and as most people have this idea of God then for most people the answer will be that there is no way. | |
| Apr 23, 2018 at 10:29 | answer | added | user3559630 | timeline score: 1 | |
| Nov 26, 2016 at 22:54 | history | protected | user2953 | ||
| Nov 23, 2016 at 22:10 | answer | added | Jordan Evans | timeline score: -1 | |
| Nov 22, 2016 at 17:04 | answer | added | Chris Sunami | timeline score: 0 | |
| Nov 22, 2016 at 14:16 | answer | added | Matas Vaitkevicius | timeline score: 0 | |
| Nov 6, 2015 at 18:28 | comment | added | Rodrigo | Interesting how you say "a god" (any god), and most answers talk about "God"... | |
| Sep 12, 2015 at 11:19 | answer | added | gnasher729 | timeline score: 1 | |
| Sep 12, 2015 at 9:43 | answer | added | Honey | timeline score: 1 | |
| Jan 5, 2015 at 23:11 | vote | accept | JDH | ||
| Jan 5, 2015 at 23:11 | comment | added | JDH | On the math-related sites where I am active (such as MathOverflow), the policy is that it is entirely the OP's discretion. But having now looked at all the answers again, I realized that Geoffroy makes the most compelling general argument. | |
| Jan 5, 2015 at 16:05 | comment | added | Lennart Regebro | You can change your mind if a better one comes along. It's usually how SE type sites work. | |
| Jan 5, 2015 at 14:18 | comment | added | JDH | @LennartRegebro Why? Although I have enjoyed the answers, yours particularly, I don't think that any of the answers are definitive. | |
| Jan 5, 2015 at 9:53 | comment | added | Lennart Regebro | You should select an answer for this question. | |
| Oct 17, 2014 at 12:15 | answer | added | havoc | timeline score: -1 | |
| Feb 8, 2014 at 21:45 | answer | added | J126 | timeline score: 1 | |
| Jan 29, 2014 at 3:51 | answer | added | user6552 | timeline score: 1 | |
| Jan 8, 2014 at 8:43 | comment | added | Superbest | I think the caption of this question ("What would it take...") is unanswerable unless the answerer is God (and I don't believe I've seen Him post on this site so far). What's worse, the question doesn't even ask if there is proof of God in existence (if it did, you could get away by relaying the word of God) - it asks the human answerer to imagine and describe such a statement that is impossible for a human to imagine and describe and can only originate from God. | |
| Nov 19, 2013 at 0:41 | comment | added | user4801 | Dear Professor Hamkins, are you still active in philosophy forum? I have many questions in philosophical aspects of logical and set theoretical theorems and phenomenons and I will be really happy to know your attitude about them because you have a valuable experience in both realms of logic and philosophy and your answers could be really useful. | |
| Nov 18, 2013 at 15:11 | answer | added | Eduardo Serra | timeline score: 1 | |
| May 26, 2013 at 9:55 | answer | added | Neil Meyer | timeline score: 0 | |
| Mar 17, 2013 at 16:23 | answer | added | John | timeline score: 0 | |
| Mar 15, 2013 at 12:33 | comment | added | Joe Z. | If there is no answer to this question, then the claim that there is no god is unfalsifiable. Am I correct? | |
| Feb 9, 2013 at 8:47 | answer | added | Giles Humphry | timeline score: -4 | |
| Feb 4, 2013 at 19:02 | answer | added | Mohammad Al-Turkistany | timeline score: -6 | |
| Sep 23, 2012 at 23:37 | answer | added | Doug Spoonwood | timeline score: 0 | |
| Sep 23, 2012 at 16:11 | comment | added | celtschk | How would you know that whoever hands it to you is god? | |
| Sep 13, 2012 at 18:29 | comment | added | Mark Rosenblitt-Janssen | Well, it could be handed to me directly by G-d, that would be convincing... But I guess that happened, if you consider Moses. Such is the reason, I suppose, why the Jews continue to defend their truth. | |
| Aug 25, 2012 at 15:18 | answer | added | philosodad | timeline score: 6 | |
| Aug 17, 2012 at 9:30 | comment | added | robin girard | Mr. Smith Goes to Washington says "Liberty is too Precious a thing to be buried in books". Couldn't this be rephrased for love/god ? in the end this shows that books are weak attempts to render something that is inside our souls ? or could your soul be so finite that it can be buried in a book ? | |
| Aug 17, 2012 at 8:18 | comment | added | p.a. | Although hardly a religious person, I m sceptic of.. sceptics. Ridiculizing scriptures respected by millions is hardly a wise thing. Granted, religions are responsible for most wars and miseries, at least being a trigger for most geopolitical conflicts to date. However, could any sceptic reply, what would our society be with abiding to any ethical (supernaturally provided, for obvious reasons) framework? Would people ever abide to just "logic", "rationalism", "balancing nature on a scale"? Maybe our life would then be more misrable and catastrophic. What do you think? | |
| Aug 16, 2012 at 7:36 | comment | added | mart | Can God, if existing, pose a philosophical or moral questions so difficult even God self could not answer it? If yes, it could be written down and may be the proof of Gods existance. But can a beeing that is not able to answer this question be considered an allmighty God? | |
| Jul 19, 2012 at 17:04 | answer | added | Dario | timeline score: 2 | |
| Jul 18, 2012 at 4:04 | comment | added | Tames | considering that such thing happens, it seems to be unfrequent. Why would that be so? What would be the requirements for this to happen? | |
| Jul 18, 2012 at 3:35 | comment | added | Mozibur Ullah | Some Sufi doctrines hold that the universe itself is the great quoran. Our attempts to probe & understanding it, is the attempt to read it. | |
| May 21, 2012 at 11:35 | comment | added | Cees Timmerman | A coupon for an all-inclusive weekend trip to the Restaurant at the End of the Universe, followed by a personally guided tour of the beginning up until I click my heels to redeem the coupon would probably convince me. | |
| Feb 29, 2012 at 17:20 | comment | added | stoicfury | Simple: it would require proof. How does one prove that a book was written by or inspired by God (or anything for that matter)? I would have to observe such writing or inspiration occurring such that there could be no explanation other than that a God did it (and therefore exists). Thus, this question is really just a veiled way of asking "How can we prove the existence of God?" (although the OP may not have realized this when writing the question). | |
| Oct 24, 2011 at 6:39 | comment | added | Hans-Peter Stricker | I once was told by a friend of Muslim belief that the Coran was written by God is proved by the fact, that so many people know it by heart. | |
| Aug 24, 2011 at 3:55 | answer | added | eMansipater | timeline score: 2 | |
| Aug 23, 2011 at 20:22 | answer | added | Geoffroy CALA | timeline score: 13 | |
| Aug 20, 2011 at 0:37 | answer | added | Alpha | timeline score: 2 | |
| Jul 24, 2011 at 11:15 | answer | added | Tgr | timeline score: 1 | |
| Jul 15, 2011 at 14:15 | answer | added | Saeed Neamati | timeline score: -4 | |
| Jul 15, 2011 at 7:56 | answer | added | Computer Scientist | timeline score: 13 | |
| Jul 12, 2011 at 17:38 | answer | added | Erin K Carmody | timeline score: 4 | |
| Jul 4, 2011 at 11:52 | comment | added | Cody Gray | Many would argue that our existing religious texts contain solutions to scientific and/or mathematical problems that were considered extremely challenging or even insurmountable at the time. It's hard to imagine that either of the examples you give will never be solved by humans at some eventual point in the future. | |
| Jun 25, 2011 at 16:30 | history | edited | JDH | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Jun 24, 2011 at 21:41 | answer | added | Xodarap | timeline score: 6 | |
| Jun 24, 2011 at 17:12 | answer | added | Alexander | timeline score: 4 | |
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| Jun 23, 2011 at 18:49 | answer | added | Jon Ericson | timeline score: 35 | |
| Jun 23, 2011 at 17:29 | answer | added | Chad | timeline score: 5 | |
| Jun 23, 2011 at 16:13 | comment | added | Lennart Regebro | What a bout one million humans from the future? :-) | |
| Jun 23, 2011 at 13:29 | comment | added | John Bentin | I would become a Believer if the book contained readable, flawless, and elegant proofs that settled both the Riemann Hypothesis and the P=(?)NP conjecture. It is just conceivable that a human could do one, but not both. | |
| Jun 23, 2011 at 13:11 | history | edited | JDH | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Jun 23, 2011 at 12:53 | comment | added | JDH | @Raskolnikov, of course I agree with that; my question is what it would take in a book to convince a rational agent that it was from a god. In particular, I take this to imply that it was not written by a human, but indeed this would be a weaker claim. | |
| Jun 23, 2011 at 12:34 | answer | added | Lennart Regebro | timeline score: 57 | |
| Jun 23, 2011 at 10:52 | answer | added | Mark Lapierre | timeline score: 2 | |
| Jun 23, 2011 at 10:37 | comment | added | Raskolnikov | Not written by humans doesn't necessarily imply written by a supernatural being. | |
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