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| Oct 2, 2021 at 23:55 | comment | added | armand | Again, don't hesitate to educate yourself: my answer has the relevant references to Spinoza's book, and its available online. | |
| Oct 2, 2021 at 23:51 | comment | added | armand | Yet Allah IS personal in Islam. He has a will, wants people to do so and so, chose a prophet... And how about the creator part ? Don't leave out half of the argument for your convenience. Allah is not creator in Islam ? Now, according to you, the Qran is a load of crap and Muhammad an impostor ? It has to be if we are to believe that Spinoza, who didn't believe nor in prophets, nor in sin, nor in moral laws is compatible in any way with Islam. The extend you are willing to go just to not admit your ignorance about Spinoza, or even just let it go, is baffling. | |
| Oct 2, 2021 at 23:27 | comment | added | Mozibur Ullah | @Armand: You wrote "Spinoza didn't believe in a personal, creator God'. This is the God of Christianity, in particular, the 'personal' element of it. You're simply denying what is obvious by saying you do not 'refer to a Christian god'. | |
| Oct 2, 2021 at 4:21 | comment | added | armand | Where on earth are you taking from that I refer to the Christian god ? In Islam god is not personal and creator ? I don't understand your objection and suspect there is none to be. In any case, what Spinoza calls god is Nature, or everything that is. God did not create the world, he IS the world. God also does not desire anything, has no moral prescriptions, nothing is either good or evil and sin does not exist. His views are heretic under every Abrahamic religion and you severely misunderstand them. Why trust Nietzsche when one can just read the Ethics and see for themselves. Irrelevant. | |
| Oct 2, 2021 at 2:49 | comment | added | Mozibur Ullah | @Armand: ... just as he put words into the mouth of Zarathrusta in his so-called opus Thus Spake Zarathrustha when everything he wrote in that book was totally against the religion of Zarathrustha. | |
| Oct 2, 2021 at 2:49 | comment | added | Mozibur Ullah | @Armand: ... being understood. His pantheism is still religious and he is called a rationalist since he was rationalising religion: He wrote his Ethics in a geometric format, alluding to Euclid. However, he is not a rationalist in the way that term is understood today - as an athiest tout court. He has only been coopted into that framework at the behest of Nietzsche who only believed in the 'earth' and not the spirit. He is the materialist through and through. When it comes to paraphrasing philosophers, Nietzsche is not to be trusted, ... | |
| Oct 2, 2021 at 2:44 | comment | added | Mozibur Ullah | @Armand: Why are you opting for the popular notion of the Christian God to describe Spinoza's philosophy. Why not Islam? The so-called cherry picked quote applies a great deal more to Islam's notion of God bring unitarian and absolute than the Christian trinitarian and absolute. Moreover, his ancestors came from the Iberian pensula which for five hundred years years were under the influence of Moorish islam. The story you say about 'fables' is already in the Qu'ran though of course the Prophet does not call men 'intellectually limited' - they are all limited and finite next to God ... | |
| Oct 2, 2021 at 1:08 | comment | added | armand | Spinoza did not believe in a personal, creator God. To him God was one with the universe ("Deus sive Natura") as is evident from a simple reading of Ethics, beyond cherry picking a single quote. In his Tractatus Theologico-Politicus he explicitely states that religious stories about a personal God are fables to help intellectually limited people to grasp the higher truth. This pantheism was as close to atheism as one could get at the time, and he got expelled from the Jewish community and got in trouble with the Christian church for it (which shows how Aquinas compatible he was considered...) | |
| Oct 1, 2021 at 23:11 | history | answered | Mozibur Ullah | CC BY-SA 4.0 |