Timeline for Does gender identity require a dualist account of consciousness?
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| Nov 22, 2023 at 23:21 | vote | accept | sket | ||
| Jun 7, 2023 at 21:04 | comment | added | Philip Klöcking♦ | @sket The simpler explanation is not always to be preferred, especially if it leads to inconsistencies and more inexplicable problems. And no, we do not need an ontology. We can simply say that there are different domains/categories of practical interaction with the world that present themselves to us in certain ways, e.g. the physical, the mental/subjective, and the social. Those all are important realities in daily practical life. You can do philosophy about ontic entities without the need to have any ontological commitments. And I was serious above: pain is real but not physical. | |
| Jun 7, 2023 at 13:05 | comment | added | sket | @PhilipKlöcking Apologies, patronising you was not my intent. Surely if we cannot have any simpler explanation an ontology is necessary? | |
| Jun 7, 2023 at 13:02 | comment | added | Philip Klöcking♦ | @sket I understand your question perfectly well. My comments aim at provoking the thought that this whole fetishism around "existence" (ontology) is questionable in the first place. | |
| Jun 7, 2023 at 12:46 | comment | added | sket | @BobaFit How is it insulting to transgender people to posit the existence of a 'soul'/mind to explain gender? | |
| Jun 7, 2023 at 12:41 | comment | added | sket | @PhilipKlöcking What I mean by that is that they are different in existence and different in language. The morning star/evening star are the same in existence but different in language. Whilst for the purpose of the argument, gender and sex are different in existence and in language. My prime question is whether this distinction means positing the existence of a mind as well as a brain/body. | |
| Jun 7, 2023 at 11:42 | comment | added | Philip Klöcking♦ | Btw, the same arguments hold for the difference between noziceptive neural activity (biological/physical) and pain (subjective/reported). Would you say that pain needs a dualist ontology? | |
| Jun 7, 2023 at 10:26 | comment | added | Philip Klöcking♦ | What is "ontologically distinct" even supposed to mean? I smell circular reasoning here. What is ontological and what is distinct is in a bidirectional relation to what your ontology is. The question that is ignored is whether an ontology is necessary to be considered at all. | |
| S Jun 7, 2023 at 9:59 | history | suggested | Matthew Christopher Bartsh | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
Improved some of the English and added a tag.
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| Jun 7, 2023 at 9:56 | comment | added | sket | @tkruse Most of those mental states can be reduced to (analytically, or ontologically), or made sense of by physical behaviour or brain states, however as far as I am aware neuroscience nor physics, biology or chemistry in general cannot explain gender identity. | |
| Jun 6, 2023 at 22:02 | comment | added | άνθρωπος | unicorns and pegasus are "ontologically" distinct from horses, but they are not exist, because an existence is not an analogy of something, an existence can't be prove with analytic. | |
| Jun 6, 2023 at 19:26 | comment | added | Boba Fit | How would the "transgenderism" you describe differ from, for example, a person's belief they were a fire hydrant? There is no physical evidence (no neuroscience). There is physical evidence the other way. So the only available evidence is the person's "outing" themself. Does a person's sincerely held belief they are a fire hydrant require there to be a soul? In other words, your question is insulting to transgender persons. And possibly fire fighters. | |
| Jun 6, 2023 at 15:55 | comment | added | tkruse | It's unclear to me why gender identity would be any different from all the other mental phenomena that are used to justify dualism. As in "Surely qualia/free will/consciousness cannot be explained by physical processes" | |
| Jun 6, 2023 at 15:28 | answer | added | Ludwig V | timeline score: 1 | |
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| Jun 6, 2023 at 14:57 | comment | added | JMac | @MauroALLEGRANZA That would only be true if sex were the only material aspect of a person, which is obviously not the case. We also assume height exists, is distinct from sex, and is still material. | |
| Jun 6, 2023 at 13:34 | comment | added | armand | I kind of remember there is neurologic research about gender dysphoria. It could be interesting to look this way, as it would undermine your second point. | |
| Jun 6, 2023 at 13:14 | history | asked | sket | CC BY-SA 4.0 |