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The phrase "It is not good for a man to get everything he wants" came to mind today. As I can't remember where I got it (I was imagining I read it in a history of ancient Greek philosophy or something like that, as a commentary on hubris), I was searching the web and surprised to find that the only close match is a bit from an Edward G. Robinson movie from 1949. Of course a similar idea is expressed, more playfully, by Oscar Wilde's saying, "There are only two tragedies in life: one is not getting what one wants, and the other is getting it," but I have in mind something more solemn.

I tried searching for some variations and came up empty-handed. Before I reread all my books, does anyone else have an idea of where an ancient philosopher might have said something like that?

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  • See Random Bits post. "Beware what you wish for" apparently appears in Goethe and "be careful what you wish for, lest it come true" in Tale of the Monkey’s Paw by W.W. Jacobs (1902). Some sites attribute it to Aesop's fables, but without any citation.
    – Conifold
    Commented Oct 17 at 23:39
  • @Conifold Thanks for the pointer. That's similar to the phrase I have in mind, although I think I'm looking for something more impersonal and more judgemental, morally speaking. No doubt there are many variations on the theme. Commented Oct 18 at 0:12
  • Is that not a Question more suited to language pages, than to SE Philosophy? Commented Oct 20 at 23:26

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Apparently, the idea goes back to Heraclitus. In his fragments B110, B111 we read:

"It is not better for men to get all they wish to get. It is sickness that makes health pleasant and good; hunger, plenty; weariness, rest."

In the more liberal (and, arguably, misleading) translation used by quote aggregators:

"To get everything you want is not a good thing. Disease makes health seem sweet. Hunger leads to the appreciation of being full-fed. Tiredness creates the enjoyment of resting."

For academic discussions of Heraclitus's view of values, see Kahn, The Art and Thought of Heraclitus, which links B110 to B111, and Neels, Heraclitus on the Nature of Goodness. On B111, he writes the following:

"This fragment asserts that, for three sets of opposites, one opposite of each set makes the other opposite both good and pleasant. But it is difficult to make sense of this concept. How could hunger make satiety a good thing? Even more difficult to understand is how sickness could make health a good thing. Health seems to be the sort of thing that is good all of its own. We might take Heraclitus to say that health only seems good and pleasant because of sickness. This would be easier to understand; if a person was never sick, their health would never present itself as particularly good and pleasant. But Heraclitus does not say that sickness makes health seem good and pleasant; he claims that it in fact makes health good and pleasant somehow. Thus we must make sense of how sickness can make health a good thing.

[...] Heraclitus presents his reader with three ‘good’ things: health, satiety, and rest. These three states of being are generally thought to be good things. But, on my reading, these three things are not good simpliciter. Rather, health, satiety, and rest are in fact good, but their goodness is goodness for. But for whom are health, satiety, and rest good? The answer seems to be the sick, the hungry, and the weary. I do not suppose Heraclitus means that health is good only for the person who is now sick. Rather, if we follow the discussion of the previous fragments, Heraclitus seems to be pointing out that the goodness of various things is dependent on a certain kind of respondent. If we follow that pattern, Heraclitus seems to be saying here that health is good for the kind of respondent who can experience sickness.

[...] The point, I take it, is that his reader might agree to the statement that health, satiety, and rest are good things, but Heraclitus wishes his reader to understand that they are not good in and of themselves (i.e., good simpliciter), but that their goodness is goodness for, that is, goodness for the beings who can be in the opposite states.
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  • I think Heraclitus was saying that we appreciate these good things more after lacking them. If we're always in the good state, we take it for granted.
    – Barmar
    Commented Oct 18 at 14:47
  • Thanks for the references, on seeing this again, I'm pretty sure I had in mind these statements by Heraclitus. It looks like I was supposing a more sweeping statement than the scope expressed by the fragment quoted; I was thinking that the implication was something along the lines of a man who gets everything he wants becomes a tyrant, but in contrast, to judge by just what's available in the fragment, the statement has more to do with the definition of what are "good" things, a more strictly technical analysis, where I was thinking of something broader about ethics or morality. Thanks again. Commented Oct 21 at 2:53

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