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In a previous question I have referred to eudaimonia and mentioned that, I guess at least in hellenistic tradition the good life is a happy one. However, now I wonder whether there is a counter to this?

My main concern is based on what we define the good life, and then how this would be different from the happy life. Any recommnedations for literature or philosophers to get into?

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    What do you mean by 'good'? Pleasant? Morally good? Tasty and/or nutritious? (Eat the happy apples, they're good, and good for you!)
    – g s
    Commented Jul 12 at 17:45
  • I refer to it as the morally good.
    – 1230new
    Commented Jul 12 at 18:24
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    Nietzsche is known for arguing the pursuit of happiness is a waste. bigthink.com/thinking/man-doesnt-want-happiness-says-nietzsche . Imagine you could press a button and cause horrible things to happen - death of your family, destruction of your intellect - and in compensation you are kept alive and become artificially happy and ignorant for a century. Would you want to press that button? I wouldn't.
    – causative
    Commented Jul 12 at 18:47
  • we are only moral if we are happy? almost certainly not. even if moral behaviour must be happily performed, happiness is still contingent.
    – user71399
    Commented Jul 12 at 19:20
  • Maybe I dont understand what eudiamonia really means. Happiness in the sense that I use it is something which is about a life going well for someone. Therefore, yes I guess on this basis a good life would be also a happy life given that the life has to go well in order for it to be considered good.
    – 1230new
    Commented Jul 12 at 19:29

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A utilitarian like Peter Singer would argue that the morally good life is one that maximizes happiness for the greatest number of people, which likely involves being vegetarian or vegan, and donating most of one's wealth to others. Intuitively, it seems like Singer's moral life is less happy than a selfish or hedonistic one.

But eudaimonia isn't exactly happiness, right? My vague memory is that eudaimonia is something like "that which we should pursue as humans" or "having lived life well", and that Plato spends a lot of time writing about how happiness or wealth is insufficient for eudaimonia.

So we can potentially try to unite eudaimonia and Singer by arguing "Living without the guilt of causing animal suffering and with the knowledge that you are doing the most good you can is essential to eudaimonia." in the same way Plato argues justice is essential.

But that seems odd and leads to some unpleasant conclusions. If the greatest pleasure all humans seek is living a utilitarian life, then Singer-inspired effective altruism should be focused on teaching people across the globe utilitarianism, instead of providing medicine or resources. And the argument there is pretty bizarre. "The good life is one spent advocating for eudamonia-utilitarianism (EU), because a life cannot be truly well-lived without EU, and so you should maximize the number of people who believe in EU." It becomes almost like a virus or a chain letter, and loses sight entirely of the "improving people's lives" portion of utilitarianism!

So in practice, I think Singer-style utilitarianism bites the bullet and claims that the moral life is less happy (potentially far less happy) than an immoral life. Obviously, one should still be happy to the degree one can, but not at the expense of contributing to broader global well-being.

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  • idt your conclusion about EU not working to materially assist others actually works, as promoting well being does not just mean promoting it abstractly, but materially too. as to medicine and a long life, yeah that may well be puzzling to EU and Aristotle, but what do i know
    – user71399
    Commented Aug 12 at 0:55
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    @andrós Yeah, that's a fair criticism. I do think there's something fundamentally different about Singer's utilitarianism ("You should convince somebody of utilitarianism if you can, because then they'll also spend their money and time serving the greatest good") and this ("You should convince someone of EU because that will make them personally feel good, and secondarily, you should care about global health and stuff")
    – Kaia
    Commented Aug 12 at 19:47
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Materialists (I'm thinking of Horkheimer, whom I have read very little of) do not think that happiness and the objects of desire are virtues, only that it is a fact that some people have virtue (such as solidarity), and virtue needs no justification, just as pursuing happiness does not. Without absolutism, our behaviours can be more or less socially sanctioned, but that doesn't mean that social status justifies our actions: I would think the exact opposite.

My point would be that happiness, as opposed to "selfless dedication to the causes of humanity", may be lacking, because the latter is not "in contradiction to materialist convictions" and claims otherwise "lack every philosophical justification", whereas justification "may indeed be quite appropriate in a particular society for particular actions".

Quotes from Materialism and Metaphysics.

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