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Easy problems

  • Does neural activity cause consciousness?

We explain how magnets interact in terms of magnetic fields. We make a mathematical model that makes testable predictions and includes a notion of causality. Similarly, we will explain the easy problems, associated to overt behaviour (a public property) and it's cause in neurological mechanisms.

Hard problem

  • What about the subjective, private experience?

Taking as a fact that we have subjective experience, then one could postulate that the inner experience is an emergent phenomena. Sean Carroll says here (from 0:34 onwards) "[consciousness] It is one of these emergent phenomena (...)". He probably means weak emergence.

Note that we can't ever know someone's exact inner experience. But that's how we carry out science anyways.

When someone says "it's a blue sky", is it identical to our experience? This assumption of shared reality is just as present in standard scientific practice.

In the same way, we will trust those descriptions, and create a theory that explains the appearance and the subjective experience, as strongly emergent phenomenon or as a new kind of fundamental substance.

Summarising: inner experience exists, it is caused by neural activity, and we will have a mathematical model, but since it involves a new kind of substance, it may need modifications to what kinds of entities are fundamental.


Zombies

We can't fully show though, that others aren't zombies, but we will work with that assumption.(see previous section.)

Conclusions

  • Consciousness exists (others could be zombies, but most likely aren't.)
  • We will then expect a theory of the emergence of consciousness, from NCCs most likely, but ontologically it is a different kind of entity.
  • We will use standard inter-subjectivity for 'base experience': people's behaviours, verbal accounts and its cause by NCCs. Note we already work with this assumption when doing science.

Question

Does this reasoning have logical flaws that you'd point out ? Is it similar to any other theory out there ?

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  • "emergent" is a fancy word meaning, "We have no idea, but the TED talk audience laps it up." To see this, note that we don't call tables an emergent phenomenon of trees, because we fully understand the transformation process. We call something emergent when we don't understand it and want to sound like we said something meaningful.
    – user4894
    Commented Oct 28 at 21:48
  • Discussions of the easy and hard problem of consciousness occur in the context of human consciousness. The Neural Correlates of Consciousness are a hypothetical structure (neurons) that provide a known function (consciousness). Presence of the structure (NCC) would be necessary and sufficient to support the function of subjective experience (consciousness). Destroy or remove the structure (NCC) and there would be no corresponding function of subjective experience (consciousness). This is called the EASY problem. @Conifold correctly describes the hard problem: how do neurons generate qualia? Commented Oct 28 at 22:58
  • Scientific reduction models are descriptions of structures and functions. Hypothetical NCC is the search for a structure or class of structures that support the function of conscious experience. Patent disclosures for inventions must recite structures to support claimed functions. The NCC would be the means to produce consciousness. Qualia must arise prior to recognition of reduction models. Reduction models incorporate qualia into the description. This author dspguide.com/InnerLightTheory/paper.htm argues the function of our brain structures is to generate a conscious subreality. Commented Oct 29 at 16:42

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Here are several corrections for you:

  • No observation is ever 3rd person. All our observation is first person, and subjective. We seek to harden against our personal biases by asking for other's subjective confirmations, seeking an intersubjective consensus. This does not ever quite get to 3rd person.
  • Physicalists say consciousness IS neurology, not that neurology causes it. It is an Identity Theory claim. There are problems with such an identity claim:
  • a) there is a large character difference between consciousness and neural activity, there is therefore a huge burden of credibility on this claim
  • b) 99+% of our neural activity is unconscious, including at times basically everything we do consciously. The identity claim is therefore apparently refuted, as consciousness does not appear in most cases when we do neural processing.
  • Neurology causing consciousness -- is emergent dualism, not physicalism.
  • The hard problem of consciousness is that, under either physicalism, or non-causal emergent dualism (epiphenomenalism), evolutionary processes of random mutations should lead to change of properties of consciousness -- ultimately leading to consciousness decoupling from behavior, or disappearing altogether. We can only have maintained consciousness under variance if consciousness is itself causal.
  • Yes, emergent causal dualism is a solution to the hard problem of consciousness. This is the solution Karl Popper proposed.
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  • What person view do dissociative observations take place in?
    – Andy
    Commented Oct 28 at 10:58
  • What if counsciousness appeared not as a result of evolution? What if the result of evolution are only philosophical zombies and consciousness is a result of some other law (initial conditions of the universe, final conditions of the universe, anthropic principle, self-reference or orquantum mechanics)?
    – Anixx
    Commented Oct 28 at 12:47
  • @Anixx -- Yes, if there were some necessity to the universe such that consciousness is necessarily coupled with physical situation X, that too would be a possible way to "solve" the hard problem. Identity theories are an effort to follow this route. The problem for every Identity proposed, is that there are example of consciousness that violates the identity. For example, experiential qualia are typically not "higher order processing", and examples of physical events in us that fit the identity claim but we are not conscious for. All proposed identity claims have one or both refutations.
    – Dcleve
    Commented Oct 28 at 14:17
  • Panpsychists also assert this sort of "necessary" coupling. But then, once more so much of our activity is unconscious, that the basic assertion of "everything has consciousness" is false. One needs a much more complex "necessity" theory, that only X, Y and Z events are conscious. One could build up this theory with billions of special case "laws", modifying it after every observation, but it would be an entirely post-hoc theory, with no predictive power, nor an explanation why the coupled consciousness fits our world, or why sometimes we have consciousness that doesn't (delusions).
    – Dcleve
    Commented Oct 28 at 14:22
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    @Andy -- dissociation is a psychologically anomalous condition where one does not feel full engagement with one's own experiences and situation. Dissociative observations still are first person. Both matches and hurricanes have explanatory reasons for their behaviors. There are a few aspects of biosystems that are not advantageous, but non multi-module, integrated, effective systems like consciousness. See Evolutionary Development research on the modules of consciousness, which are smoothly integrated in ways we cannot even discern, short of the brain injuries studied by Dr. Oliver Sacks.
    – Dcleve
    Commented Oct 29 at 18:54
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  1. It has been tested by neuroscience that rodents as well as humans navigate on the basis of mental maps through their ambient space. Therefore it is convincing to explain conscious experience and activity by neural activity in the brain.

  2. Smart test arrangements allow to observe via brain scans that the the activity in specialized cells and cell complexes is synchronous with the movement in space. These experiments were conducted with rodents and their actual or remembered movement in space. And with the imagined movement of human probands while measuring the brain activity via fMRI, see Christian F. Doeller.

  3. These experiments clearly show that observable behaviour is synchronous with specific brain activities. The latter has been experienced by the human probands as a conscious activity.

    In the light of current neuroscientific research, speculative thoughts about zombies seem a bit artificial therefore.

Added as summary in reply to your comment:

  • ad your question 1. Does neural activity cause consciousness? - Yes. See ongoing work from neuroscience about NCC.

  • ad your question 2. We can't ever know someone's exact inner experience. - I object: See the ongoing work with brain scans to relate conscious experience from first person’s report and brain activity measured from third person’s perspective.

  • ad your question 3. We can't prove though, that others aren't zombies, but we will work with that assumption. - How do you define zombie? Why is the concept important for research about consciousness?

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  • Rather than banishing zombies, the advances in neuroscience have instead amplified the problem for physicalism. 99+% of all complex neural processing is UNconscious. Neuroscience, therefore has almost solely been a study of unconscious processes. We know how even such higher order activities like walking (sleepwalking) and driving (highway hypnosis) can be done unconsciously -- the question is just more salient -- why are we conscious at all? The only answer that makes sense is that it is evolutionarily functional to be conscious, but then consciousness would be causal, contra physicalism.
    – Dcleve
    Commented Oct 28 at 4:58
  • @Dcleve I agree that the “Why-question” is quite a different question. From the viewpoint of biological evolution one asks for the benefit of conscious mental processes in comparison to unconscious mental processes. What is the function of conscious mental processes? Do you think that the zombie-idea helps to find an answer?
    – Jo Wehler
    Commented Oct 28 at 6:15
  • @Dcleve "The only answer that makes sense is that it is evolutionarily functional to be conscious, but then consciousness would be causal, contra physicalism." Contra REDUCTIONISM, rather, the problem with the words "physical" and "physicalism" being their lack of clear meaning.
    – Olivier5
    Commented Oct 28 at 8:48
  • @Dcleve Has it been explored whether neurodivergence correlates with normally unconscious processes occurring consciously? Sort of like an iceberg calving and parts formerly submerged appearing on the surface.
    – Andy
    Commented Oct 28 at 10:56
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    @Olivier5 -- Emergent consciousness as a new sort of thing was proposed by Karl Popper and he was comfortable calling it dualism. Most physicalists consider epiphenomenalism to also be dualist, and emergent dualism that is non-causal has the same problem as reductionism, with the inability to maintain consciousness under evolutionary variance. It is only emergent dualism that is fully two-way interactive that can explain the evolutionary tuning of our consciousness. Yes, physicalism is a bit disputed on definitions, but causal closure vs consciousness is part of every definition I have seen.
    – Dcleve
    Commented Oct 28 at 14:07
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Edit: This answer is rewritten due to extensive editing of the original question.

Your question: Does this reasoning have logical flaws that you'd point out ?

we will explain the easy problems, associated to overt behaviour (a public property) and it's (sic) cause in neurological mechanisms.

This sentence is not clear. Are the easy problems having a cause in neurological mechanisms, or is the overt behavior having a cause in neurological mechanisms? Either suggestion seems to reverse cause and effect. Since no explanation is forthcoming, I assume that 'we will explain' refers to a hitherto unmentioned philosophical program.

Note that we can't ever know someone's exact inner experience. But that's how we carry out science anyways.

This is a non sequitur. The scientific program is not carried out on the basis of scientists' exact inner experiences, unless these experiences are the subject of the research. When chemists perform experiments in spectrophotometry to establish the colour, they will measure the wavelength and these measurements are objective and replicable. That these measurements correlate with our subjective experiences is nice and helps scientists to communicate (cobalt blue means something), but the measurements could theoretically just as well be done by a philosophical zombie. The research would be indistinguishable and happily accepted and published.

When someone says "it's a blue sky", is it identical to our experience? This assumption of shared reality is just as present in standard scientific practice.

Yes, you can't prevent scientists from heaving subjective experiences. These experiences are, however, irrelevant for the outcome of scientific practice. If the outcome of a scientific experiment would depend on the subjective experience of the scientist (cobalt blue-ish) then it would be bad science.

we will trust those descriptions, and create a theory that explains the appearance and the subjective experience, as strongly emergent phenomenon or as a new kind of fundamental substance.

What you describe here is bad science. This sounds like auras, chakras and the like, phenomena that are firmly in the domain of pseudoscience. Strong emergence is controversial and in my opinion (yes, this is subjective, ha!) adjacent to magical thinking.

Summarising: inner experience exists, it is caused by neural activity,

Despite my critique on this discourse, I agree with this statement.

since it involves a new kind of substance,

An unsubstantiated and fact-free assumption that brings us straight back to unadulterated dualism.

Your first conclusion is that consciousness exists, but some (of us) could be zombies. This seems irrefutable and is in fact a well established idea since Descartes. Though, I don't recall Descartes mentioning zombies. This is more a reassertion of what was written above.

Your second conclusion is that consciousness likely emerges from a neural correlate of consiousness. Maybe. And it is ontologically not the same.

I take it that your third conclusion asserts that neural correlates of consciousness cause behaviour of which we are conscious and that this hopes to be an answer to the preambule: Does neural activity cause consciousness? I don't think this necessarily follows. Mind you, I do think that consciousness is caused by neural activity, but it is called neural correlate of consciousness for a reason. Correlation is not causation. Neurological activity is detected in patients under general anaestesia. These patients, one hopes, are not conscious. In another answer, the documented navigation skills of rodents and humans were correlated with brain activity. The subjects (the humans at least) reported subjective experience. I would, however, like to draw attention to the phenomenon of sleepwalking. People who sleepwalk show navigation skills but seem to be unresponsive and have often no recollection of their whereabouts during their nocturnal sojourns. In these cases they do not report subjective experience. In fact, they are often very much surprised with their exploits. There are cases of people sleepwalking that involve the subject driving a car.

So far, or at least as of last year, it appears that the neural correlate of consciousnes has not yet been found.

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  • @mrnobody -- Carroll rejects the zombie thought problem, he does not think he is a zombie. He asserts that a digital copy of his brain would also have first person consciousness. This is an assertion of functional identity theory, in its reductive form to the functional structure of a processing substrate. As with other identity claims, this one has falsification test cases. Our functional structure is unconscious for most of what it does. And different functional structures are clearly conscious by evolutionary inference -- the experiential qualia we have clearly have pre-human origins.
    – Dcleve
    Commented Oct 28 at 15:37

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