Source: 6 minutes 50 seconds juncture; Lecture 2, Video 5 (transcription);
MITx: 24.00x Introduction to Philosophy; by MIT Associate Prof Caspar Hare PhD (in Philosophy; Princeton)
There are some very strange phrases in here, most notably, God exists in the understanding but not in reality. What is it to exist in the understanding but not in reality? Existing in the understanding--that's a very strange phrase, not one that we ordinarily use in everyday life. So there are different ways to interpret this. Here's one way of understanding what this means. So to say God exists in the understanding but not reality is to say, we can conceive of or imagine God existing, but he doesn't exist. Interpreted that way, the argument comes out like this[:] [...]:
[1.] Premise 1: EITHER we can conceive of God existing, but he doesn't exist;
OR we can conceive of God existing, and he does exist.[2.] Premise 2: If we can conceive of God existing but he doesn't exist, then we can conceive of a thing greater than him (a thing just like him, but EXISTING).
[3.] Premise 3: it's not the case that we can conceive of a thing greater than God.
[4.] Conclusion: We can conceive of God existing, and he does exist.
[...] premise one is going to be true. The problem comes with premise two. Premise two [...]
[I omit Prof Hare's verbal restatement of premise 2] just makes no sense.[5.] If
we can conceive of him existing, but he doesn't exist
, then we can'tdo something further, namely conceive of him existing
.
[6.] When you conceive of him existing, there's nothing further you can do to conceive of him existing. You're already doing that.
[7.] So premise two just comes out as manifestly false. And so certainly the argument is unsound and certainly not persuasive to the reasonable agnostic.
I understand why Anselm's Ontological Argument is unsound from other websites, but I understand not:
8. 5. If we can conceive of him existing but he doesn't exist
,
why can't we do something further (namely conceive of him existing)
?
9. 6. Why is there 'nothing further you can do'?
If we can conceive of him existing, but he doesn't exist, then we can't do something further, namely conceive of him existing.
Is this a contradiction? How is 'conceiving of his existence' FURTHER than 'conceiving of his existence'? He also wrote:When you conceive of him existing, there's nothing further you can do to conceive of him existing.
What does he mean by 'nothing further'? Why can I NOT conceive a thing greater than God?