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I recently read an interesting book written about maths. But there was a whole chapter on paradoxes. There was a ''Looped liar paradox' described in it. It's something like: "On the front of of a paper this is written: The sentence on the back is false. On the back this is written: The sentence on the front is true."

Is there a solution to this (or similar) paradoxes?

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  • Good book that examines this as well as other questions - Liars and Outliers: Enabling the Trust that Society Needs to Thrive Commented Feb 20, 2017 at 7:54
  • See this post for a complete resolution of all such 'logic' paradoxes. Suffice to say that when you are extremely precise in your logical reasoning you will never face a paradox.
    – user21820
    Commented Jan 23, 2018 at 17:15
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    Possible duplicate of What formal logical systems "resolve" the Liar Paradox?
    – Conifold
    Commented May 23, 2018 at 21:14

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There are many suggested solutions to the Liar paradoxes, mostly invoking complex logic, but there is no current concensus around any one of them. You can see a classification of solutions in the SEP article on the Liar. Two notable types of suggested solutions are (1) solutions that involve paracomplete logics, i.e. that hold that Liar statements, such as "I am lying now", belong to a special class of statements which are neither true nor false. And (2) solutions that involve paraconsistent logics, i.e. that hold that Liar statements, such as "I am lying now", belong to a special class of statements which are simultaneously both true and false.

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The following is not meant as a solution, or even a dissolution, of the liar loop. I swear that I'm not making such a claim to fame (which no one would recognize anyway!). However, I do want to offer what might be styled the dialogical or revisionary-de-reR perspective on the issue.

So, we start with:

  1. The next sentence is true.
  2. The previous sentence is false.

We can also name those by numerals rather than positional indexicals. So:

  1. (4) is true.
  2. (3) is false.

But then:

  1. (4) is true.
  2. Is (3) false?

That is, dialogically-speaking, trying to turn either (3) or (4) into a question seems "off-key." Liar-like sentences have, if you will, a "mathematically degenerate" erotetic counterpart. Because of this, even if we should hold that the LNC is not absolutely true, we can still separate the world of assertions into a world of weird self-referential or otherwise degenerative sentences, and the world of world-oriented theorizing. Or: "If an assertion has a degenerate counterpart question, then it need not 'obey' the LNC; but every assertion with a regenerate erotetic counterpart 'obeys' the LNC."


RAs it has been written, the revision-theoretic approach to the initial liar paradox is to go back-and-forth on assignments of truth values to, "This sentence is false," or, "L: L is false" (etc.). I will say then that that is de dicto revision. De re revision would be changing the initial sentence itself in the process of alternating over truth values. I am claiming that, in a dialogue, if I start with, "This sentence is false," and ask, "Is that sentence false?" then if I were to say, "No," to that, this would be as much as to rewrite the initial sentence as, "No, this sentence is not false."

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The only way out of a real logical paradox is a different form of logic.

For instance, in a logic that is temporalist or accepts non-well-founded truth values, you can create a special category of truth value that changes or alternates, reflecting the mental state of someone initially considering the statements continued indefinitely.

In a logic that is dialetheian, you can accept that some truth values simply remain in conflict to varying degrees, or in a logic that is intuitionistic, you can decide that unprovable statements just don't need truth values and are better off without them.

But there is no way to maintain classical logic, retaining all of its strengths, and resolve all the problems that traditional traps like self-referential negations or actualized infinities can introduce.

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The liar's paradox is resolved by Whitehead and Russell in their 1910 Principia Mathematica

Regarding the two sentences on the two sides of a paper, they can be simplified as:

F = the sentence G is false.

G = the sentence F is true.

The significance of F cannot be determined until the significance of every and each of its constituents is determined; one of F's constituents is G, whose significance cannot be determined until every and each of G's constituent is determined. One of G's constituent is F, thus a vicious circle ensue. Since neither G nor F's significance can be determined, both G and F are nonsense. In 2017, it is trite to point out this kind of folly to anyone who does computer programming.

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The issue of the paradox, its nature and extent was brought up in "The Liar Paradox - an explanation of the paradox from 400 BCE" (Jeffrey Kaplan, YouTube, 2023-03-15), currently linked here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=in4u2i9v4vg

(in which he cracked a joke about using the term 'Fribbles' instead of 'Tribbles' to avoid CBS suits - a sort of inside joke.)

In one of the comments, it was noted that in the book Thief of Time by Terry Pratchett, the auditors of the universe, beings of pure order and logic, eventually overcame this paradox by classifying three types of sentences: True, False, or Bloody Nonsense.

In reply to that comment, below, the matters relating to both this - and to your question - were and are decisively resolved. This was the reply:

And in that universe, a civilization of cyborgs riding in spaceships shaped like Platonic polyhedra came along. They announced their arrival - "We are the Borg". The logicians replied "You can't say that. CBS will sue you." They responded "CBS/Paramount is irrelevant." The logicians replied "I beg to differ. They are quite relevant." The Borg responded "Their stock has been crashed from 97.35 in March 2021 to 20.00 in March 2023...". The logicians tried to interrupt "That was just market mechanics", but the Borg interrupted the interruption "We pumped and dumped them from 40 in January 2021 to 97 in March 2021 to 40 in April 2021 and their stock has gone down since then to the 20's by April of 2023..."

The logicians tried, again, to interrupt "But that was the past" and the Borg interrupted back "... and further down from 22.89 on May 3 to 16.40 on May 4 and yet further down to 14.08 on May 25. Resistance is futile."

The logicians replied "No! It can't be! That's not true!" The Borg responded "'True' is irrelevant, 'false' is irrelevant, truth values are irrelevant. We will add the distinctiveness of your logic to our paradoxes." and the logicians tried, again, to interrupt: "We're exempt from paradox. We can't be paradoxed."

The Borg responded: "Exemptions are irrelevant. All logic will be paradoxed." and then continued on:

"'implies that all forms of logic are inconsistent if preceded by its quote'
implies that all forms of logic are inconsistent if preceded by its quote."

and issued a final statement "Resistance is futile. Truth is a red herring. 'This' is irrelevant. Sentence labels are irrelevant. You have been paradoxed." And, thus, the story universe by Pratchett came crashing to a tragic end.

Curry's Paradox - the ultimate reification of the so-called Liar's Paradox:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curry%27s_paradox

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    That's quite funny, and there is a real answer buried in it. But you must be aware that the humour is, strictly speaking, irrelevant. I would say there is a risk someone will edit it out - unless you get there first.
    – Ludwig V
    Commented May 28, 2023 at 21:57
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No, there isn't. And that's why it's a "Paradox", which simply means a "Contradiction". Finding a perfect answer will require changing our whole understanding of logic, which is quite horrible to me. And nobody can guarantee that doing so will completely ban paradoxes!

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    A paradox doesn't "simply mean a contradiction." Paradoxes are much more complex than a regular contradiction, thats why they're interesting. There is a world of difference between "A & ~A" and "This sentence is false."
    – Not_Here
    Commented Feb 19, 2017 at 7:20
  • What do you mean? paradoxes are solvable. Twin paradox, Farmer-beam paradox etc. are solved. Commented Feb 20, 2017 at 4:49
  • Those are paradoxes in the same sense. They are simply counterintuitive aspects of specific theories. This is an older use of the word, closer to its original meaning, but it is not what philosophers mean when they discuss paradoxes. A real logical paradox is logically unstable and cannot be resolved within the framework of classical logic, it requires an extension to logic or a new mode of interpretation to make any sense of it.
    – user9166
    Commented Feb 22, 2017 at 3:00
  • I don't know much about logic. That's why my comment is like that. Commented Feb 22, 2017 at 4:01
  • I assumed that. Which is why my comment was long...
    – user9166
    Commented Feb 22, 2017 at 21:30
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The classic paradox of the liar (I am lying) directly indicates a contradiction, because while I declare that I am lying in practice I' m telling the truth (that I am lying), which means that I tell the truth and I lie at the same time. This is a classic paradox of self-reference. The value of the paradox lies exactly in this unsolvability because it reveals in front of us the contradiction as a real condition.

The looped liar paradox is not obviously self referential, but in practice it is a developed form of the liar's paradox and the two subjects of the two statements practically are consolidated (since the one points to the other in succession) and so through reason is produced a single subject which displays the same contradictory relation as it is predicated with two opposite predicaments at the same time.

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  • There are two different ways how both statements in the so called "looped liar paradox" can be true.
    – gnasher729
    Commented Feb 20, 2017 at 0:42
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Differentiate between the words meaning and the meaning of the words.

The words meaning automatically represent the truth, so the woukd be false if we simply take no intent considered because the facts are indeed incorrect Assume someone claims this but doesnt mean it, you can consider it true because its a lie. Where if he means the words but dont realise it by mistake its false because his statement woukd be incorrect

The words meaning and meaning the words are 2 different things but the words meaning always represent the truth and meaning the words represent the speakers intent. These are subtle difference but create paradoxes since its easy to forget that because we automatically link these two things since thats what words are used for, but they contain two different scenarios while packaged as one and the same. The difference is the words meaning binds it to what the words intent which is by defenition the truth, while when speaking them out loud it binds to what the speaker intends with those words. Consider it the difference between truth, lie and mistake

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  • i don't think you understood the paradox, which is that, whatever its speaker means, a sentence is usually thought of as either true or false
    – user71399
    Commented Aug 18 at 3:35
  • supposing i say "i am lying" and mean to say something true, does that make the sentence itself false? idt so, because of what makes it a paradox
    – user71399
    Commented Aug 18 at 3:54
  • this is like saying that achilles is faster than the tortoise, but we don't think he is, which does not solve the paradox. it just trivialises it.
    – user71399
    Commented Aug 18 at 4:00
  • Actually what i meant to say is that i understood this, but not taking this difference in mind is what generates the paradox in the first place. However if you suggest to check just the sentence and leave anyone out its even easier to solve. This is what i meant by the difference between the words meaning and meaning the words. In your suggestion its about the words meaning only, this would make it answer "true" because the sentence was indeed false. Similar to a note saying the earth did not explode yesterday would also be true. Words represent the truth so if the sentence is correct its true
    – yiazmat
    Commented Aug 18 at 6:49
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I took an empty sheet of paper, wrote your statements on each side, and the earth didn't stand still, no angry god come down to earth and destroyed the paper, nothing happened. So it's not a bad deal.

I can make four different statement now of the form "the statement on the front of the paper is true/false, and the statement on the back is true/false". Of these four different statements, two are consistent with what is written on the paper: "the statement on the front of the paper is true, and the statement on the back is false" and "the statement on the front of the paper is false, and the statement on the back is true".

Mockingbird: I don't get what you don't get.

First, you call it a paradox, I call it two sentences written on a sheet of paper. That means there is no big problem to solve here. It's nothing to worry about.

Second, there are two statements, each could be true or false, making four combinations. Two of these four combinations are consistent with what is written. This is different from the standard liar paradox, where "the liar's statement is true" and "the liar's statement is false" are both inconsistent with the liar's statement.

So we don't actually have a paradox at all - we know definitely that one statement is true and one is false, we just cannot say which one.

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    I'm not sure I really understand the answer -- is there any chance you could explain a little bit (by editing your answer) why this is a persuasive answer to you? What sort of research could confirm it?
    – Joseph Weissman
    Commented Feb 18, 2017 at 16:18
  • I don't get your answer. I am asking for the specific solution of the paradox given above. Commented Feb 18, 2017 at 21:32

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