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Thermodynamics state that when a event will start and when will it end! Kinetics define how quick the process will end will it forever or finish within blink of eye is kinetically pre-defined. Provided, conditions remain unchanged and process remain undisturbed by external agent.

Taking it on life we are being processed we took birth we shall die is unchanging truth! How we live the life depends on us but as we are in the system(here system could be loclized to person level or globalized to universe I am taking globalized system) we cannot really alter the the kinetics so can it be assumed at least a globalized process is pre-written?

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    "Pre-written" and "fate" implies an agency that planned ahead of time. Deterministic physics only describe that from a starting point, each future state is unambiguously going to happen. Physics does not imply that anything or anyone can know what will happen ahead of time or planned for events to happen in a certain way. For the question it would be better to avoid those words.
    – tkruse
    Commented Mar 17, 2022 at 1:56

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We have to be careful not to confuse two separate questions:

  1. whether every event in the universe is fully determined by the antecedent events that combined to cause it;
  2. whether, if that is true, it must follow that we cannot have free will, and so cannot be responsible for anything we do.

These were burning questions in the first two thirds of the last century, often summarised into whether scientific determinism, if true, entails the absence of free will. If what we do just happens to us as a result of processes that precede even our births, can we really say we can ever 'help it'? Can 'our' actions really be ours?

Notice, that the question itself presupposes the truth of determinism. It was thought in the 1950s and 1960's by British philosophers, such as P.F.Strawson, that this question about the logical relationship between scientific determinism and freedom of will and therefore moral responsibility for our actions involved a confusion about what is meant by 'freedom of will'. The point, it was argued, was that we speak of 'freedom of will' in contrast to circumstances in which we are prevented from doing as we choose, or compelled to do what we do not want to do by other people or states or laws. Whether we are free or not has nothing whatever to do with causality. Indeed we do not think of ourselves as 'causing' our actions. We just perform them.

As to the question of scientific determinism itself, you have do make a further distinction: between whether everything that happens is the inevitable result of an infinitely wide network of preceding events or whether there are elements of chance involved. The most obvious reason for thinking so involves the field of quantum physics, in which up to now it seems that predictions are at least to some extent probabilistic, even though the mathematics works pretty well in general. Ironically, prediction seems at its most successful at the largest cosmic scales. As to how individual humans are going to behave in the future, I am afraid we seem no better placed today, with all the triumphs of science behind us, than people were when the populist politician, Julius Caesar became consul in BCE 59.

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The universe is either deterministic or it is not. Not deterministic means there are sources of random so that there are multiple ways the future could happen.

If so, due to chaos theory, even tiny events can change the future in big ways.

Science and physics typically describe a model of nature that is deterministic, but without philosophic claims about whether nature is deterministic. For building space rockets or skyscrapers the philosophical nature of the universe being deterministic or not does not matter usually, because in engineering even deterministic sources of noise need to be handled and those are usually just as bad as random sources.

So it's not valid to assume that just because a physics book describes physical processes in a deterministic way that physics claims the universe is deterministic. It's just deterministic enough in any case to describe processes like that usefully enough for most engineering purposes.

On the quantum level, processes are not described so deterministically.

Even if the universe behave deterministically, that does not imply that anything or anyone can reliably predict the whole future, let alone that anyone or anything could have set up starting conditions to achieve a certain result. If I am led with closed eyes to a darts board, given a darts arrow, and throw the arrow in the direction of the dartboard, the final position of the dart might be deterministic, but that does not mean I knew where it would land or that I intended to put it there. So "fate" and "pre-written" are unsuitable words in the question given the full question description.

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  • You’re right to say that we don’t know whether the Universe is deterministic, but since seemingly-random phenomena such as radioactive decay still follow statistical distributions it is reasonable to assume that these result from deterministic principles and laws that we don’t know about. If that weren’t the case, if we attempt to measure, for example, the half-life of an isotope we would not see the value converge with an increasing sample size.
    – Frog
    Commented Mar 17, 2022 at 0:10
  • @Frog can we say there are too many variable in our requisite function that even slightest change (butterfly effect) can change everything.moreoveer variable are in themselves interdependent and a few of them are based the output of function itself
    – Ha'Penny
    Commented Mar 19, 2022 at 15:37
  • @Ha’Penny in reality the calculations that would be necessary to predict the future would require a supercomputer capable of modelling the entire universe with complete accuracy. Since the computer itself must necessarily be a part of the universe thus can never be brought about, so even if the universe is deterministic we can’t demonstrate it.
    – Frog
    Commented Mar 19, 2022 at 21:00
  • The butterfly effect does not depend on how many variables are in a function. It depends only on how variables impact the end result. A function with just one variable can behave chaotically. The butterfly effect itself alone did not prevent 1000% predictability. Only if there are also possible errors in measurement the problem arises because we cannot do 99% accurate predictions anymore if there is chaos in the function.
    – tkruse
    Commented Mar 19, 2022 at 23:43
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I believe that fate is closely related to our consciousness, especially to our subconscious.

Firstly, we need to distinguish between the "I" as the subject and self-awareness. The "I" of the subject possesses three characteristics: 1. Pursuing benefits and avoiding harm, which is determined by the will of all life to survive, and humans are no exception. 2. Inductive ability, which is determined by our genetic experience or what a friend refers to as pre installed genetic information, is an innate survival ability inherent in our minds. 3. The ability of rational thinking is determined by Kant's prior perceptual ability, that is, the ability of intellect to synthesize various appearances into knowledge through categories. These three characteristics together shape the "I" as the subject, enabling me to explore, respond, and think about the world, and to be mentally prepared to take responsibility for the consequences of behavior, also known as subjective agency.

And the so-called self-awareness is a self perceived "truth" that we perceive in the present, such as when you can perceive the light, smell, temperature, etc. around you, which are all things you can truly feel in the present, but in reality, they are only a part of the stream of consciousness. This stream of consciousness also includes genetic experiences, daily experiences accumulated from past rational thinking, and so on. However, limited to physiological perceptual abilities, we can only perceive the present.

In addition, I believe that self-awareness also includes the basic value judgments we currently hold, such as praising or helping someone who does good, hating or stopping someone who does evil, being happy or showing humility when praised, and so on. These basic value judgments are not directly related to survival, so they are cognitive responses that go beyond genetic experience. These value judgments can be quickly expressed without our thinking, so we can also say that they have become a part of self-awareness unconsciously, just like pre installed in our brain. However, modern psychological research has shown that our consciousness is not only limited to our current self-awareness, but also includes the subconscious that is not directly sensed by us in our daily lives. And I believe that it is these unfamiliar streams of consciousness hidden deep in the brain that give us too much restraint and regulation.

The subconscious is not an innate genetic experience, they are actually the accumulation of our daily experiences. For example, if you live in a place with poor public security, you will subconsciously accumulate experience in preventing robbery and theft. If you live in a poor environment, you will subconsciously accumulate frugal experiences. If you live in an environment that advocates etiquette, you will subconsciously accumulate experience in treating others with courtesy. Wait a minute. In short, these daily experiences will unconsciously accumulate in your brain, forming a subtle influence on your self-awareness, and thus playing a crucial role in your immediate decision-making.

So we can say that what kind of environment can shape what kind of person, and what kind of experience accumulation determines what kind of reaction you will make when facing current things. The present is largely determined by the past, and the future is also highly likely to be determined by the present. This may not sound unreasonable, but I think it is precisely a manifestation of our lives and even the entire society being unconsciously regulated by the subconscious accumulation of rational thinking. Kant pointed out that the ability of intellect to comprehensively process various appearances is actually the foundation of this rational thinking. It has shaped human civilization, but it has tightly bound us.

In my opinion, the biggest problem with the subconscious is that we cannot traverse them and fully evaluate them. They are like a pile of important documents locked into a safe, we cannot know what is inside, but our current decisions are deeply influenced or even completely decided by them. If they are all good and positive, it doesn't matter if we can't understand them. But what if they are evil and corrupt? Our present and future are already destined for a terrible ending.

For example, if you have unintentionally encountered many cruel scenes, even if you have long forgotten, at some point in the future, these scenes will still come to mind and sting your nerves. For example, if you have unintentionally been tempted by others to do something unethical and experienced pleasure, even if you have never done the same thing again, this pleasure will still come to mind one day when you face the same temptation, tempting you to try again. There are many similar examples, even though your current self-awareness has moved away from what you have experienced in the past, it still cannot avoid the subconscious giving you a decisive influence at a certain moment.

These evil and corrupt experiences are almost inevitable, and more importantly, they are likely deliberately instilled in you by others or a certain group. For example, some power groups want the people to be obedient, willing to be mediocre, and corrupt. Then they will constantly instill values that are conducive to their rule and exploitation of you, deepening over and over again in your subconscious until you are completely defeated.

So, if you want to break free from the fate dominated by the subconscious, first you need to understand that the self is not just self-awareness, but actually an extended whole composed of self-awareness and subconsciousness. Self awareness is like a storefront window, for customers it is their first and almost complete impression of the store. And the store also has corresponding warehouses, office areas, etc. Without these, the store cannot achieve the complete function of selling goods. Secondly, we should have a self-awareness to break free from past experiences and make decisions directly using our sensory abilities. That is to say, whether our past experiences are good and positive, or evil and corrupt, there is no need to rely on experience in everything. This is not only to avoid being regulated and decided by negative subconscious thoughts in the past, but also to create more possibilities for our lives.

For example, what we usually say is that the distance between lines is like a mountain. This statement may sound like a typical rational thinking, but it is actually easy to refute, and can even be said to be a fallacy. When you question whether you can transition from this technology to other industries and learn other technologies, have you ever thought that when you first learned this technology and entered this industry, you were also a novice who didn't understand anything? To understand this truth, what you need to question is no longer whether you can successfully transform, but whether you can accept the anxiety and anxiety that you will face when entering a new industry as a beginner again. So, we can say that many possibilities in life are actually eliminated by our own rational thinking. Only by breaking free from the inertia of rational thinking can we break free from the decisive influence of our subconscious and embrace more possibilities in life.

This process can be called self retreat. This is not going against reason, but a reversal effort after fully understanding the mechanism of fate formation, a brave adventure in the face of the unknown and the future.

Of course, there is another way to minimize the negative impact of the subconscious on us, which is to strive for a better environment and strictly demand oneself, so that the good and positive experiences accumulated in the present can be used in the future. This is not impossible, in fact, almost all successful and happy people in this world do it this way. But in this way, we unconsciously fall into a deliberate mechanization pattern, which is actually a typical form of self programming. If one always insists on walking the right path, they will often go to another extreme and inevitably exhibit a narrowness after self wrapping. Moreover, evil and corruption always exist in this world, and not everyone has the opportunity to escape the accumulation of negative experiences. If you cannot escape the harsh environment, will you accept your fate?

We all rely on past experiences and rational thinking to make current judgments, and the subconscious is like an invisible pair of big hands controlling our lives, making it difficult for us to escape the fate determined by others and the past. But if we don't rely on experience and rationality, what else can we rely on to make decisions? Don't forget what I said above, as the subject, "I" also have the will to seek benefits and avoid harm, as well as innate sensing ability. We can collectively refer to these two things as instincts.

Let's first seriously consider this question: a one year old child, you don't need to teach him who is bad and who is good, but he can still judge the other person's attitude towards him through facial expressions, knowing who is scaring him and who wants to kiss him. This child has zero knowledge and no rational thinking at this time, but he can still make the decision of avoiding or getting close to the other party. How did this decision-making ability come about? This is actually an instinct that everyone is born with.

This is not something that science can explain, but you cannot say it is pseudoscience because it has gone beyond the scope of science. In addition to possessing the ability to think rationally, humans also have a natural ability to sense the environment. In fact, rational thinking is not only binding individuals, but also applies to the entire society and country. Relying too much on rationality will lead to fewer opportunities for the emergence of possibilities, because human rationality is always limited. Why are authoritarian countries very short-lived? In fact, it is to impose the rational thinking of the individual dictator on the entire country for implementation, ultimately blocking the emergence of other possibilities.

I don't advocate setting aside rational thinking to make daily decisions, but if you're tired of rigid work and life, try to find some different inspirations. I suggest you occasionally try clearing your brain and letting your instincts point you in other possible directions.

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Scientifically there is no such thing as fate. The concept of a pre-written destiny is not a scientific one.

It is a religious concept as it implies a "pre-writer" with divine capabilities.

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