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I find that sometimes there are many systems in which one could prove/ describe a single idea given in Mathematics. This made me wonder, is the thing we are proving actually true beyond the proof tools themself in some sense(*)? Like consider Russel's Set theory, some of the idea we could say in that about Sets still could be said when ZFC came. So, does this mean that those statements were like a truth of life more fundamental than Naive Set theory itself?

If there is some sense in what I said above, would there be a way to pre-emptively identify these fundamental truths of life other than seeing that they can be still shown when we remove any apparent contradictions in our foundations?(the second requires actually finding contradictions)

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  • In mathematics, we prove theorems starting from axioms and using logical rules. Outside mathematics, we have empirical fact whose knowledge is not based on "proof"; and we have other beliefs: art, society, religion. Commented Jul 20, 2022 at 12:06
  • I understand but how does that relate to my question exactly ? @MauroALLEGRANZA
    – Brian
    Commented Jul 20, 2022 at 12:31
  • If the question is about "ideas", in what sense are you asserting that "ideas are true"? Is the idea of "dog" true? Commented Jul 20, 2022 at 12:33
  • I guess ideas relating to physical ideas we want to formalise through mathematics @Mauro ALLEGRANZA. For example the idea of having a set, taking its union intersection etc. I'm not quite sure about the idea of the dog. I'll think and reply
    – Brian
    Commented Jul 20, 2022 at 17:34
  • Any truth expressed in language contains implicit assumptions. An axiom systems is just an attempt to formalize some of those assumptions. Commented Jul 20, 2022 at 19:56

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