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SCOPE: I'm seeking answers from the perspective of physicalism.

If physicalism is true, what is the ontological status of the laws of logic, and what is their relationship to the laws of physics? Are the laws of logic ontologically fundamental, just as the laws of physics are? Are the laws of logic a subset of the laws of physics? Are the laws of logic prior to or more fundamental than the laws of physics? Or are the laws of logic merely human concepts (stored physically as ideas in human brains), developed as humans noticed patterns in reality that could be expressed logically? In that case, could one argue that logic is an emergent phenomenon derived from the laws of physics, which are fundamental?

See also: How does physicalism interpret mathematical theorems in physicalist terms?


NOTE: As of now, there is no official tag laws-of-physics, so I used the tag laws-of-nature instead. If someone takes issue with this, please let me know in the comments. Relevant discussion: Is there a distinction between laws of nature and laws of physics?


Which version of logic am I talking about?

Good question. Wikipedia has a disambiguation page that considers 3 cases:

Law of logic may refer to:

My greedy self would encourage answers to ideally cover all three cases. However, if I were forced to only pick one, I would likely choose laws of thought which seem pretty fundamental.


Addressing the charge of duplicate: this question is NOT about mathematics

This question is about logic, not mathematics. Assuming an equivalence between logic and mathematics is controversial, see:

See also the meta discussion: How is a question about logic a duplicate of a question about math?

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The answer from a physicalist perspective may be that they simply do not exist and hence there is no need to talk about what it means for them to “physically” exist.

If the response to this is that it is self evident that they exist, I ask you to implore what makes you think this. We only ever have conscious experiences that may relate to an an idea, but never the idea itself.

Logic, just like math, are concepts that supervene on the physical. They do not exist except as descriptions of physical reality. In a sense, they are always attached and inherent to physical reality but they don’t, independently, exist.

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    So, would you say that for a physicalist the laws of physics do exist but the laws of logic do not?
    – user80226
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    But then for a physicalist, what ontologically fundamentally exists that makes things behave regularly?
    – user80226
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    @user80226 my thoughts are that chat gpt is not a reliable source and that this is a good example of it. It makes no sense for laws of physics to be more fundamental than logic when one can’t even talk about physical concepts without logic
    – Syed
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    And ChatGPT doesn't "rebut" anything. It just produces words. It doesn't believe those words. It doesn't think those words are true.
    – Lowri
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    @Lowri What would it take for you to believe that an AI can have those abilities?
    – user80226
    Commented yesterday

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