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The China brain: In the philosophy of mind, the China brain thought experiment (also known as the Chinese Nation or Chinese Gym) considers what would happen if the entire population of China were asked to simulate the action of one neuron in the brain, using telephones or walkie-talkies to simulate the axons and dendrites that connect neurons.

Now my question, states that what if unknowingly we humans are interacting and going our ways in a way that doesn't necessarily bring about a full and complete working human brain but replicate some disjoint nervous complexes that might be present within the brain and thus create imitations of some brain processes to even a slight degree and if this is the case is there any way of us knowing or measuring the outcome because the process is happening on a higher level than us.

And in the extreme, say we were to carry out the China brain, how do we know of the result, maybe the conscious awareness might arise? I guess in a way I am asking how do we know what this consciousness is fully experiencing i.e., how can we understand the qualia? Can we capture the "metaphysical" experience of this conscience?

Edit: From the comments, I see that the results of the consciousness that arises doesn't necessarily need to be displayed in an extra dimension.

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    We don't know that. Ever heard of the "invisible hand of the economy"? This very well could be the sort of thing you might mean by "unknowingly we humans are interacting and going our ways in a way that doesn't necessarily bring about a full and complete working human brain but replicate some disjoint nervous complexes" - maybe at some level, the economy is a mind or computer...
    – TKoL
    Commented Aug 22 at 20:44
  • @TKoL +1 I think this is a very interesting take and I think so too.
    – How why e
    Commented Aug 22 at 20:50
  • If you simulated a brain state where that brain state gives clear consequences such as a human being told they won the lottery, you could just run the China simulation and look for the corresponding consequence of something jumping for joy. Since brain states are local to their humans, this consequence can’t be in another “dimension”.
    – J Kusin
    Commented Aug 22 at 21:17
  • We do not know either way. Some philosophers did argue that humanity is a higher order collective subject, see Is humanity as a whole a philosophical zombie? But even if enough of a 'brain' and 'mind' is simulated by what we call public attention, public memory, public knowledge, etc., this collective subject may well be a philosophical zombie with no consciousness.
    – Conifold
    Commented Aug 22 at 23:11
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    If the China brain's goal is to increase the planet's temperature the outcome can be measured and we're pretty good at it.
    – armand
    Commented Aug 24 at 8:10

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There's a nice version of this in XKCD comic strip 505: A Bunch of Rocks, XKCD 505

What you call the China Brain and this are versions of the Simulation Hypothesis. See discussion here: Are we living in a simulation? The evidence The main clue would be inconsistencies, eg in conservation laws, and exactly what those inconsistencies are. Particle accelerators exactly look for inconsistencies, and for a sense of how small they can be yet still be discovered, the LHC at CERN had to do 600 million collisions per second for a year and a half, to prove to five sigma certainty that the Higgs Boson exists. In the above Bunch of Rocks example it would take a truly remarkable rarity of misplacing a rock, to not get found out.

Focus on only simulating a brain rather than a reality, brings in some of the issues around Boltzman Brains (Wikipedia link). But computationally, to get the needed complexity in the subjective experience of the brain of a reality, it would require simulating the reality, in order for instance that different choices could be taken.

There are two issues I can see though:

(1) We say our universe is deterministic (with quantum random edges, deterministic across Many Worlds), but we feel we make choices, so a Boltzman Brain could feel it makes choices, but only need the data for the timeline of choices it has and inevitably will make. Still requires simulating a consistent model around the timeline of experience for things to make sense, but a lot less data.

(2) The other is the fundamental ptoblem of the Simulation Hypothesis. What if any probes we do, like say running particle colliders, have fake results based on giving 'high resolution' only to where an investigation is happening, and the places we aren't looking at can have a lot of data saved by not being fully simulated? (this is important because if it's full scale full resolution then it's not a simulation, it's just an embodiment) If the simulation is by "some evil genius not less powerful than deceitful, [who] has employed his whole energies in deceiving me", as Descartes puts it, then really we cannot know with certainty - but we can be sceptical, and recognise that looking for evidence is the best tool we have to make sense of things - really the only tool. This also relates to the Brain In a Vat thought experiment.

We have discussed exactly what you are talking about, people being organised to simulate operation of a persons brain, in this thread: Emergent consciousness I think really it's an iteration of the Homunculus Argument (Wikipedia link), an informal fallacy, which is an expression of our cognitive bias, to wish to abstract from our experiences narratives about agents, ie to tell stories.

In this answer I address how causality only belongs in modern physics as an informal shorthand, but persists because of intuitive appeal to our cognitive bias, as apes who's neocortex developed to navigate our social landscape: Is the idea of a causal chain physical (or even scientific)?

So the TLDR is, we can't know for certain, because science doesn't give us certainties. But we have no evidence, and there are a million billion possibilities of what 'really is' that we don't have evidence for, so until they have consequences on our realities we can observe, we have better ways to occupy our time than concern with them.

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  • +1 For the comic strip, it was really interesting and insightful towards a entertaining look into the simulation hypothesis, but as TKoL mentioned in my comment it seems like the trends and phenomena we see in societal contexts might be even more understood from such a perspective if possible and I think it is good to entertain it not necessarily occupy our time with them.
    – How why e
    Commented Aug 24 at 13:06
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    @Howwhye: Yes fine as thought-experiments, no priblem with that. But quite low in our Bayesian credence hierarchy.
    – CriglCragl
    Commented Aug 24 at 14:24
  • So, what is our Bayesian credence hierarchy it is not like it is an established rulebook or anything like that and if it is may I ask the first thing in that hierarchy.
    – How why e
    Commented Aug 25 at 0:20
  • @Howwhye: Science is such a rulebook, it doesn't provide certainties only likelihood in relation to evidence
    – CriglCragl
    Commented Sep 1 at 8:26
  • You are not answering what the first thing in that hierarchy is
    – How why e
    Commented Sep 1 at 8:47

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