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What can we consider an object's properties, for example, when can we consider an object's properties as 'changing'? For example, if I move an object from my desk to my table, has it changed? If I take a number and write it's numeral on my board, or write 2+2 on a piece of paper, does it change the object as it gains the attribute of being the number that I've decided to write the value of the sum with itself on my particular paper in my particular office? If Mike becomes the chef at a restaurant does Mike change? He gains the attribute that he's a 'chef' but has he 'changed'? When I move from position a to position b do I 'change'?

Such a question is valid when considering mathematics and logic as the question 'if a variable takes a value, does it change the value?' can be approached in this way, what about a mathematical object defines 'it'?

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  • See Properties Sep 18, 2022 at 12:22
  • See also Cambridge Change. Sep 18, 2022 at 12:59
  • The object's properties will change according to whatever happens to that object or around it. Just as the taste of an apple changes over time, properties can change too. It's extremely dependent on what the situation is.
    – r0k1m
    Sep 20, 2022 at 19:04

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A simple model of an object's properties can be expressed with first-order predicate logic. This model assumes that we have a set of logical objects, and certain predicates these objects satisfy. If b is an object and P_ is a one-place predicate then if Pb is true, then b has the property expressed by predicate P_.

If we restrict ourselves to one-place predicates, we have what we could call non-relational properties. If we look at predicates with two or more arguments we get relational properties. For example, b is to the left of c, is not a property of either b or c taken in isolation but a property of the two in an ordered relation bLc.

However, this logic-based account of properties may be metaphysically implausible. For example, if Pb is true for any predicate, then Pb ∨ Q is also true for any proposition Q (here "∨" is the symbol for logical "or").

We can define a new predicate P' as: P'_ if and only if P_ ∨ Q

It is easy to prove that P_ implies P'_ since P'_ is always true if P_ is true.

Yet, it might seem implausible metaphysically to say, for example, that an "an apple being red" implies that the apple also has the property of "being red or pigs fly". Thus, some philosophers might require a more substantive (evidence-based) argument for asserting that a given predicate P_ expresses a real property. We can still say that all properties can be expressed as logical predicates, but not all logical predicates express real properties. It is then the job of the metaphysician to determine which predicates correspond to real properties on a case by case basis.

The other part of the question is about changing properties. If we look at an object as existing in 3-spatial dimensions at a moment in time, it appears to have certain properties which we can call synchronic. If we consider something that has a property which holds across across time, we can call this a diachronic property. For example, the property of turbulent flow in water is a diachronic property. Now, if we are looking at a synchronic property changing between two times, in the background there needs to be a diachronic property that describes the object's capacity to change while maintaining its metaphysical identity across time. In general, an object b's capacity to change certain properties while remaining b is a diachronic property of b. Historically, philosophers have called the properties that can change without causing b to cease being b, the accidental properties of b.

Let's consider your example of Mike becoming the chef at a restaurant. We generally assume that the capacity to maintain personal identity across time is a diachronic property of persons (although this could be challenged). For example, when I wake this morning I'm slightly different than I was before I went to sleep, but I'm not a distinct person. Certain kinds of change can cause a loss of personal identity, for example, if a person dies their body ceases to be the person they were although the body continues to share some of the properties that were previously possessed by the person. However, in Mike's case becoming a chef is not a sufficiently radical change for Mike to cease being himself. In this case, Mike simply gains the additional property of being a chef.

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  • If I take a supposedly 'unchanging' abstract object and decide that it's 'my number' I may make decisions based of this number, it's not just a name, it's an associating of the number that I have made, does the number 'change'? Similarly to Mike becoming a chef? Or does the concept of 'relations' imply that this is a relation? For example '5 is my number' is a relation it has with itself, if 'my number' is a name, or it could be a property.
    – Confused
    Sep 18, 2022 at 21:33
  • In the case of numbers do we just ignore the synchronic properties in favour of diasynchronic algebraic properties which define the numbers?
    – Confused
    Sep 18, 2022 at 21:33
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Would you insist that it must be the case that the object either changes or it doesn't change?

I think both. The object --- let's say that paper you're writing on --- hasn't undergone any substantial change: it's still the same paper it was before. Its properties have nevertheless changed: like you pointed out writing on the paper changes its properties. Even though its properties changed, it's still a piece of paper: its substance, or its being hasn't changed.

It's possible to have so much change that the thing you started with becomes something other than what it was. In that case the object's identity as a piece of paper itself would have been changed. E.g. I write on it so much that it's all covered with black ink, or I tear it to shreds and burn it. The way the identity accumulates and manifests change is equivalent to the heap problem.

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  • I have to agree, I'm trying to determine something like this: is the idea of many abstracts as 'inert' somewhat fallacious does me associating the number with things change it? In this way the heap idea doesn't apply because anyone can discern the concept of '2' and '3' but are they in constant change?
    – Confused
    Sep 18, 2022 at 21:16
  • @user1007028 even you thinking about things differently changes the object. (But that's a stronger claim than what my answer relies on)
    – psitae
    Sep 19, 2022 at 0:06
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In Aristotle, there is a distinction between intrinsic & extrinsic properties. An objects mass is intrinsic but its location in space is extrinsic.

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Objects have all sorts of properties. Consider, for example: mass, length, shape, position, orientation, speed, age, dirtiness, components, history, owner, colours, value, purchase price, smell, appearance, wear and tear, distinguishing marks, purpose, approvals, energy consumption, materials, texture, flammability, elasticity, name, novelty, degree of inflation (if a tyre or balloon, for example), toxicity, voltage and degree of charge (if a battery, for example), capacity, watertightness, prickliness, handedness, popularity, maintenance record...

With another few minutes thought you could easily treble the length of the foregoing list. Some of those properties are inherent to the object, some are circumstantial or incidental, and some- such as value, popularity, religious significance- are attributed to the object according to the views of people aware of it, possibly mistakenly. Clearly the inherent properties are of a different type to the rest, and the rest may be further split into sub-types. So when you ask, what are an object's properties, the answer depends on the object. When you ask, do they change, the answer is some of them do and some of them don't.

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To have object properties - the way you described them - you need the model first. The model is your deliberate intent to depict reality.

In the model you list all the objects and the properties that are relevant to you. That is, a decision is involved what constitutes the reality you want to describe.

So the answer is yes and no. The properties change or won't change. If they are on your map (model) they have changed. If they are not, they didn't because they don't exist.

Now, the above is the intent to have a map. You look at the map, compare and you see if the property has changed or not.

There is one theory where the universe is one single computation. And we can only know all the outcomes when the computation has ended with its end.

In that respect the universe is the model, even though there was no intent (requiring a conscious decision) to build a model in the first place. (Well maybe there was, but that is off topic.)

In that respect all the objects you described do have many unknowns that are properties. And yes every change you mentioned changes a property of the object.

As whether the position of an object is a property of the object or a property of the space the object occupies, it's safe to say, you'll never know for sure.

To answer questions of this type you'll need your intent and your model first and a bunch of assumptions. Based on that, you make an inquiry (some measurement) into the universe and see what reality throws back at you.

But it's safe to say. There is no object property without an intent. (whether that intent came from a conscious decision or the beginning of the universe)

Disclaimer: I'm in no way a philosopher. The above is closely connected to how objects are being used in computing. I thought I'll give it a try.

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